UFO/USO Reports from Santa Catalina Channel.

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  1. karl 12

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    This is a repost of quite an old thread so a great many of the links ae now defunct - will post the remaining ones at the end.

    Looks like there's been an unusually high (and constant) number of UFO/USO sightings from the area around the Santa Catalina Channel off the California Coastline - below are some of the reports including a bizarre incident in 1992 where residents flooded the police with reports of multiple objects emerging from the ocean - there's also an excellent article by MUFON's Preston Dennet who goes into more detail about UFO/USO reports in the area.


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    • Strange USO incident from 1989:



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    • Six flying discs over Catalina (same time as Roswell)





    • Cheesy UFO Hunters episode - different witnesses from Catalina island:






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    UFOs Over Topanga Canyon

    UFOs Over Topanga Canyon

    Is There An Underwater UFO Base Off The Southern California Coast?

    Underwater UFO incident Near Catalina | UFO CHRONICLE – 1982
     
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  2. nivek

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  3. karl 12

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    It's absolutely the same area mate.
     
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  4. nivek

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    Here's a 1948 report, not quite in this area but just a little north, I thought it might be relevant...

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    Blue Book Unknown: Unexplained triangle seen above California town

    It was the middle of the day when two people in San Pablo, CA reported seeing an unidentified flying triangle-shaped object flying alongside another, “amoeba” shaped object. This account is just one of hundreds of UFO reports that could not be explained by Project Blue Book. The account from 1948 is written in “The Blue Book Unknowns”, a compilation of unexplained UFO reports from the U.S. Air Force’s Project Blue Book files.

    THE BLUE BOOK UNKNOWNS (COMPILED BY DON BERLINER, FOR THE FUND FOR UFO RESEARCH.)
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  5. pigfarmer

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    Close enough. The Nimitz incident looks to be maybe 90 miles further south, probably less.
     
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  6. pigfarmer

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    I'm always a little cautious about connecting together too many old reports. I understand why and admit to being intrigued but prefer to stick to the recent encounters with the best evidence. There is a danger of making a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

    No coincidence to me that these things prefer the flavor of US Navy warships in that general area.
     
  7. karl 12

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    Appreciate the replies guys and Dennet does go into more detail in this interview with Knapp about other localised USO sightings - he also mentions that the U.S. Navy were conducting sonar tests in that specific area in 2013.

    Also quite an old but very relevant presentation here by Richard Sauder where he discusses existing technologies capable of constructing U.S. Naval manned undersea facilities (near Catalina island) and illustrations by U.S. Navy engineer Walter Kirshner.

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    Thanks @karl 12 . Short on time but now but that one from Sauder looks interesting.

    Atomic energy was known to be theoretically possible long before it was made a practical reality. All it took to make that happen was the desire and application of resources. Same for landing on the moon. The US has resources nobody else does and the time to apply them to do all sorts of things we know about. Imagine the ones we don't - because they don't want us to.

    OK, bear with the annoying homily please. Locally there is an old sewage treatment plant. Now the area is being built up and the property has become very valuable for development. But you can't just move the s**t plant so they sort of hid it. There are times when an indescribable eye watering funk comes out of that place and just stinks the whole area up very noticeably. Real estate developers have begun blaming everything BUT the poopie plant and have come up with highly improbably explanations for their investors but us locals aren't fooled. It ain't the river or some natural phenomenon, beyond the obvious.

    No, if there's something right over there that is a likely culprit how much time do you spend looking elsewhere for a more probable explanation? Not saying it couldn't happen, just what's most likely.
     
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  9. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    Our visitors have many underground and under the ocean bases.
    I am quite sure there are 1 if not more bases in that area as well.
    If the navy thinks they can locate them, they are fooling themselves, unless they have the technology to scan for them up to 2 miles below the ocean floor.
    There will be no opening to them as well, they simply adjust their atomic phase and pass through any liquid or solid matter without disturbing it what so ever.
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  10. karl 12

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    Certainly some food for thought and very freaky UFO/USO reports.

    Sticking with the Catalina Channel there's also some pretty wild police dispatch UFO recordings from the area on June 14th, 1992.

    Apparently over two dozen witnesses in more than ten different locations (spaced no more than twenty miles apart) all reported extremely strange UFO activity on the same evening.

    Pie / disc shaped objects putting out lightbeams (and a humming noise) are being reported.




    The Night Of The UFOs' - California, June 14th, 1992.

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    I know I am responding to an older post, but check this out: The Cold War, USOs, & the K-219 Submarine Incident

    They had the ability to do exactly that and a hell of a lot more over 50 years ago. We tend to dismiss our technology as primitive compared to a species capable of interstellar travel and that may be true, but it isn't to say we haven't developed some truly impressive feats of engineering. We did so with national level Apollo-like resources applied and done in secret
     
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  12. Skepticide123

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    After a UFO presentation one day at the local community center, I had an old retired military man approach me and tell me he had been on Catalina Island and watched a UFO over LA hovering over the city before it shot straight up and into space in an instant.
     
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    Seems that area of the California coast is the naval equivalent of Area 51 and has been for a long time.
     
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  14. Skepticide123

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    It's very similar to the Bass Strait. There are tons of airship / UFO sightings in Australia, and even sightings of objects coming out of the water, posted previously. I think the objects seen there were mostly coming out of the ocean to the south of Australia.. Too bad Feindt isn't around to see the article below --it doesn't appear to be in his book..
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    Well, having just been clued in to what they were up to underwater in the early 1960's and being very, very surprised at the scope and amazing secrecy of their accomplishments I know that R & D never stopped or probably even paused since then, that programs of this nature can take decades, that programs with national level interest are protected by layers upon layers of secrecy, cover stories and compartmentalization mean that no single whistleblower is going to crack the egg, not even an Edward Snowden.

    I can only imagine what they've come up with since then. I bet the concept of a 'transmedium' craft is hardly new
     
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    Do you think the objects off the coast of California are top secret US projects?
     
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    I do.

    I also think that there are times when actual extraterrestrial craft are sighted, but that area off the coast of California is a place with a history of top secret testing. I’m sure the few that have lived near Groom Lake have seen surprising things too.

    Kind of ironic in that the military have the best sensors, etc to record a UFO event but they are the most problematic to deal with
     
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  18. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    How so?
    We can see the bottom of the deepest part of the oceans, but can we know what may be hidden far below the bottom, and if so how far?
     
  19. pigfarmer

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    That sounds like a moving goalpost. They were hiding in the ocean until it was realized they can't hide there so now its sub-ocean floor? Dunno about that. This is a long one, sorry, and I did try to make it as brief as I can. I am serious about this next bit, I think it speaks to a lot of what we have all been interested in all these years even if it doesn't sound like it.

    This is part of a larger thought I have had on the Whole Thing. Haven't actually hashed all this out yet into one coherent train of thought. This is just PF shooting from the hip over coffee.

    When we think about the 'modern era' the big dividing line in our recent history is WW2. The end of that conflict saw the United States as an industrial, engineering and technical colossus. We developed a taste for projecting power and to this day maintain large fleets of blue water vessels i.e aircraft carriers, etc. to do so. A capability we take for granted but came at cost.

    But there is another capability that came at cost and comparatively speaking, we got a helluva deal. In that conflict a very small number of extremely capable fleet submarines brought Imperial Japan to its knees with the literal destruction of the commercial shipping on which it was totally dependent. They did far more damage than other weapons systems in proportion to the investment required to maintain them. I don't think there were ever more than 50 boats operating in the Pacific at a time. Not as sexy as big aircraft carriers or fleets of bombers overhead but very, very effective and by design, relatively invisible. An accountant would be very happy about that ROI.

    There is a larger discussion of strategy; deterrence vs first use of nuclear weapons. Don't want to get off track but it wasn't always obvious that deterrence was the correct way to go and that is critical to understanding why we do what we do. It's about context, always is. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed and people like Dr. Edward Teller didn't have their way. But if you want to achieve a goal with critical national importance in the midst of the Cold War why not turn to a system that has already shown itself to be a performer, to give you an excellent bang for the buck and a capability nobody else has ? Most people's understanding of these things involves The Hunt for Red October and obviously there's waaaay more to it than that but it's a not completely wrong depiction and actually has basis in fact.

    Twenty years before the war and we had sugar boats, barely capable of submergence with a bucket for a toilet. Twenty years after the war we were operating on the ocean floor in nuclear powered submarines. By 1970 or so we had achieved what was called the '2 & 20 capability' meaning the deep submergence systems themselves were designed to either reach virtually every continental shelf on Earth or the bottom of the ocean about anywhere with few exceptions. So when we were watching Star Trek on TV men were descending to the 2000 foot limit breathing specialized gases and working in flexible suits, not those armored monstrosities like in For Your Eyes Only. They were secretly tapping undersea communications cables. There was a large and growing network of sophisticated underwater sensors all over the ocean floor and a network of satellite surveillance that was highly capable if not exactly real time at that point. Better yet, they were not only descending to extreme depths they had the capability to examine virtually anything and retrieve most. The recovery of a lost American H-bomb in 1968 was a bit of a clown show but was accomplished. Only a few years after that they snatched an entire Soviet submarine off the sea floor, brought it back to California and reassembled it in total secrecy.

    If you make a triangle from San Diego, Los Angeles and San Clemente Island you literally encompass a huge portion of our 'secret stuff'. Lockheed's original Skunk Works, Naval training facilities - they still train SEALS on San Clemente and I am quite sure they are skilled in deep submergence techniques. All sorts of labs, warehouses etc where all sorts of things can be done unobserved. It's where the Navy has developed all sorts of amazing things and - and here's my point - if we could do that 50+ years ago and are only becoming aware of them relatively recently can you imagine the capabilities that have been developed since then we know nothing about? When I hear reports of USOs and so forth anywhere near there this is what I think of. If you sat on a hill near groom Lake before it became contaminated by poplar culture I bet you'd see some weirdness there too,. Tic Tacs and glowing balls of light pestering Navy warships doesn't sound like ET to me it sounds like business as usual for the area.

    This is where the lecture about our primitive technology comes into play and we start talking physics and how what we do is stone knives and bearskins. Well, could be. But Occam's razor and real history says ET is not the safe bet there.

    I am NOT suggesting ALL UFOs are military testing. What I am saying is that certainly some are especially in that area and when you become more aware of the history you have context and look at all this very differently. It also gave me insight as to how large national interest level programs might function and how a genuine extraterrestrial presence might be treated.

    I have noticed that when any branch of the military is involved in a UFO story the author usually punches up the language: he isn't flying a fighter it's a F/A-18 Super Hornet. It isn't a nuclear missile sub it's a XYZ sub with 1234 impressive sounding missiles and stuff. They amp up the language to give it gravitas the same way they do someone's resume to lend credibility to the report. But amping up military techtalk is often done without really knowing how it all fits together, just that it sounds impressive. Context is important.

    All I can say is what I have said. The military has the best equipment but can be trusted the least because we can never really be sure if they are telling us the literal truth or some portion of it. From what I've read the chances of anyone, and I mean anyone including a Robert Bigelow or even an Admiral Wilson having 'the whole story' is small. Very small. Secrets within secrets kept in many different compartments for good reasons, you could be working on something for years and never find out what it was really used for. This is why I like the Father Gill and Ariel School cases so much. Hopefully if that ever happens again this time it'll be in a school full of kids with smartphones.
     
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  20. pigfarmer

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    Fravor saw a special project vehicle. His unrelated podcast anecdote about something coming up from the deep to snatch a practice torpedo away from the diver who was in the process of retrieving it was probably his brethren having a good laugh on him. I think the special operations people loves stories like that . Excellent cover. And yes, they do tests systems against friendly forces that are unaware. Not often but there are precedents.

    The mission was not an intelligence success but the operation was not detected by our own forces present in the splash-down area observing Soviet naval activity.”

    — The Silent War: The Cold War Battle Beneath the Sea by John Pina Craven
    The Silent War: The Cold War Battle Beneath the Sea

    Still lots of weird reports out there but I think since 2017 and the NY Times article that we've been had, this is all part of some larger game.
     

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