UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact
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pigfarmer
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You wonder what's what's going on listen to this
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nivek
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Pentagon UFO chief Dr Sean Kirkpatrick will be REPLACED by end of the year as whistleblowers accuse him of lying to the public and ignoring eyewitnesses
A candidate 'short list' has been interviewed to replace Dr. Kirkpatrick (left), current head of the US Defense Department's All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), one ex-official told the DailyMail.com. The news comes as UFO whistleblowers, per one attorney, 'don't want to go to Sean's AARO' citing safety concerns. 'Really knowledgeable' UFO whistleblowers, 'people who've laid their hands on the equipment,' as this attorney aiding the whistleblowers told the DailyMail.com 'never did trust Sean'.
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wwkirk
Divine
pigfarmer
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I've seen interviews with Dolan and he seems reasonable, but then I heard one too many in which he went ON about the Hudson Valley UFO Wave and I just went 'click'.
I heard Zabel make what sounded to me like politically biased statements and even wrote him a nice note to call him out on it - to which he politely replied. I didn't think his characterization of Bret Bair and Martha McCallum's reaction to the UAP question to Chris Christie was accurate based on a podcast interview I heard with the both of them.
In the Need to Know interview Couthart mentioned his concern over Biden's ability to deal with this topic and his recent incoherent press meeting aboard Air Force One. He's an Australian, he doesn't have skin in this game and think he just called what he saw. Kind of like having grandma at the holiday dinner table where she might blurt out what she really thinks and it' soften exactly what everyone's thinking but are too polite to say. Yeah, I suppose I am biased - a middle conservative really - and I suspect Zable isn't and I just wish we could all keep it out of the UFO sauce.
I heard Zabel make what sounded to me like politically biased statements and even wrote him a nice note to call him out on it - to which he politely replied. I didn't think his characterization of Bret Bair and Martha McCallum's reaction to the UAP question to Chris Christie was accurate based on a podcast interview I heard with the both of them.
In the Need to Know interview Couthart mentioned his concern over Biden's ability to deal with this topic and his recent incoherent press meeting aboard Air Force One. He's an Australian, he doesn't have skin in this game and think he just called what he saw. Kind of like having grandma at the holiday dinner table where she might blurt out what she really thinks and it' soften exactly what everyone's thinking but are too polite to say. Yeah, I suppose I am biased - a middle conservative really - and I suspect Zable isn't and I just wish we could all keep it out of the UFO sauce.
wwkirk
Divine
I respect Dolan's original study of UFO history, UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973, but never got around to the sequel. Beyond that, he has gone pretty far out there with his advocacy of the breakaway civilization concept.
Dejan Corovic
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Dolan has zero scientific background, he's just weaving conspiracy theories from blacked out lines in FOIA documents.
Anybody can jump into any conclusion he wants with mindset like that.
But on other hand, his contribution to popularising UFO issue is positive. There is no obligation to be scientific all the time, although scientific approach goes long way to increase credibility of sightings.
Anybody can jump into any conclusion he wants with mindset like that.
But on other hand, his contribution to popularising UFO issue is positive. There is no obligation to be scientific all the time, although scientific approach goes long way to increase credibility of sightings.
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nivek
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Dejan Corovic
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I want one UFO, just to go and land on Mars.
Rick Hunter
Celestial
Dolan has a B.A. and M.A. in History, as do I. He is a good History writer, but no more qualified to predict the future than anyone else. Pretty sure he does Ufology for a living, meaning he has to make a compelling product to sell. Brinkmanship, always making the viewer feel like we are on the razor's edge of something big happening, is his stock in trade as it is for anyone else in that business. I don't see it as entirely bad or good, it just is.
Dejan Corovic
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Oh, I read history with passion.
I don't think he earns living from ufology. Its such a small market and overcrowded.
Most best known influencers in ufology are independently wealthy individuals, who either earned or inherited their wealth, so they don't need to work, but they just follow their passion.
pigfarmer
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Jealous ! My niece got her Bachelor's in History but decided she wasn't keen on being a teacher and was surprised no institution just handed her a cardigan with patches on her elbows ... to do history stuff .... and things. She's doing well for herself as a bank officer.
Historian, Physicist, military officer or just some normal doofus doesn't matter that much when it comes to speculation, it's about the reaction to an event, the real phenomenon that matters more and that comes down to mindset and personality. Kevin Knuth had the presence of mind to make some very astute observations when he saw some strange stuff over the skies of Wisconsin and his training played a part in that - but he could've just as easily freaked out or made a mistake or made it all up. I keep coming back to the road flare balloon hoax near here that had military and aviation and law enforcement experts preparing themselves for the next War of the Worlds.
pigfarmer
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Pentagon Confirms Retirement of AARO Director Sean Kirkpatrick, as New Deputy Director is Named - The Debrief
The Department of Defense (DoD) has confirmed that the scientist currently leading its investigations into sightings of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) reported by military personnel will be retiring before the end of the year.
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who has led the Pentagon’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) since it was officially launched last July following enactment of the FY 2022 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), has announced his plans to leave the position in December.
Kirkpatrick’s plans for departure, confirmed by Politico on Tuesday, were officially announced Wednesday morning in a statement issued by Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, although speculations about his departure had already been in circulation beforehand.
“During his distinguished 27-year career of public service in the Department of Defense and the United States Intelligence Community, and since assuming leadership of AARO, Dr. Kirkpatrick has served the American people with honesty and integrity, tackling an incredibly difficult mission to explain the unknown,” Hicks said on Wednesday.
Hicks, who had taken a more active role in coordinating with Kirkpatrick and AARO in recent months, praised Kirkpatrick for his efforts with AARO, during which he and his staff “investigated more than 800 unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) cases, led an extensive search for U.S. Government and contractor programs associated with UAP, and established the department’s first public-facing website,” which helped “bring greater transparency to the department’s work.”
Just hours after Hicks confirmed Kirkpatrick’s plans to leave, the DoD announced that Timothy A. Phillips had been officially selected to serve as AARO’s Deputy Director.
In May, The Debrief reported on an unclassified vacancy for the position, originally posted in late April, which detailed the responsibilities for the second-in-command position.
On Wednesday, the DoD said Phillips had officially arrived on assignment for the position.
“A member of the Senior National Intelligence Service since 2006, Phillips brings to AARO his extensive experience in geospatial intelligence collection and mission management, expertise that is critical to enabling DOD and intelligence community components to successfully identify, characterize, and resolve unidentified anomalous phenomena,” the Pentagon said.
On Tuesday, Kirkpatrick told Politico that Phillips would serve as interim director after his departure “until the Pentagon hires a permanent replacement.”
Kirkpatrick and AARO have received significant attention in recent months. Last month, the release of AARO’s 2023 Annual Report on UAP added a total of 291 new UAP reports to the collection of cases it is currently working to resolve.
Just last week, the Pentagon announced that a new secure reporting system had been established at AARO’s website for U.S. government personnel who may know about secret programs involving UAP.
Any reports AARO collects through the new secure mechanism, which imposes strict limitations on what can be submitted based on classification of the relevant information, “will be used to inform AARO’s congressionally directed Historical Record Report, due to Congress by June 2024, and its investigations into alleged U.S. government UAP programs.”
Despite the new secure reporting mechanism that was recently made available on AARO’s website, U.S. government personnel are being instructed not to submit sightings of UAP directly through AARO’s website and are instead advised to “follow the process established by your service branch or federal agency to report the information to AARO.”
Claims of secret government programs involved in the collection of information—and possibly even physical evidence of exotic technologies—associated with UAP have persisted for decades.
In June, The Debrief was the first to report on a complaint filed with the Intelligence Community Inspector General involving the alleged existence of a secret U.S. program claimed to have been involved in the acquisition of craft believed to be of non-human origin.
The complaint was filed by David Grusch, a former intelligence officer who worked with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), serving as that agency’s liaison to AARO’s predecessor organization, the UAP Task Force, before he left government.
During a Congressional hearing in July, Grusch, along with former U.S. Navy fighter pilots David Fravor and Ryan Graves, testified under oath and told members of Congress that he had spoken with close to 40 individuals within the U.S. intelligence community with knowledge of the secretive UAP program.
Shortly after the hearing, Kirkpatrick wrote a statement that he shared on his LinkedIn page where he criticized several of the statements that had been made by the witnesses during the hearing.
“I cannot let yesterday’s hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community who chose to join AARO,” Kirkpatrick’s statement read.
“They are truth-seekers,” Kirkpatrick wrote of his staff in the statement, “as am I.”
“But you certainly would not get that impression from yesterday’s hearing,” Kirkpatrick added.
During a media roundtable on October 31, 2023, Kirkpatrick told reporters that since AARO had been established, Grusch had not yet visited him and his staff.
“Mr. Grusch, since AARO has stood up and since I’ve been director, has not come to see us and provided any information,” Kirkpatrick said during the off-camera media event. Asked if he had spoken with Grusch previously, Kirkpatrick acknowledged he had communicated with him in the past, but stated that it had likely been close to five years ago.
“So, the last time I believe I spoke with Mr. Grusch was when I was in the J2 at U.S. Space Command about five years ago,” Kirkpatrick said, adding that “it was not on this topic.”
Kirkpatrick added that he and his staff had interviewed “over 30 people now,” adding that he believed he and his staff had “interviewed most of the people that [Grusch] may have talked to, but we don’t know that.”
“And we have extended an invitation at least four or five times now for him to come in over the last eight months or so and [have] been declined,” Kirkpatrick also said.
Responding to a text message from NewsNation Senior National Correspondent Brian Entin, Grusch characterized Kirkpatrick’s statement as inaccurate.
“I have zero emails or calls from them,” Grusch was quoted saying of the alleged invitations from AARO Kirkpatrick referenced in the October 31 media roundtable.
“That is a lie,” Grusch added.
The announcement of Kirkpatrick’s planned departure from AARO next month comes amidst additional public criticism, which includes a Change.org petition calling for his removal.
Currently, there are no vacancies listed for the position of AARO Director on the website of the Director of National Intelligence.
However, Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks said on Wednesday that the Pentagon is currently coordinating with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) to select Kirkpatrick’s replacement.
The Department of Defense (DoD) has confirmed that the scientist currently leading its investigations into sightings of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) reported by military personnel will be retiring before the end of the year.
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who has led the Pentagon’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) since it was officially launched last July following enactment of the FY 2022 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), has announced his plans to leave the position in December.
Kirkpatrick’s plans for departure, confirmed by Politico on Tuesday, were officially announced Wednesday morning in a statement issued by Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, although speculations about his departure had already been in circulation beforehand.
“During his distinguished 27-year career of public service in the Department of Defense and the United States Intelligence Community, and since assuming leadership of AARO, Dr. Kirkpatrick has served the American people with honesty and integrity, tackling an incredibly difficult mission to explain the unknown,” Hicks said on Wednesday.
Hicks, who had taken a more active role in coordinating with Kirkpatrick and AARO in recent months, praised Kirkpatrick for his efforts with AARO, during which he and his staff “investigated more than 800 unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) cases, led an extensive search for U.S. Government and contractor programs associated with UAP, and established the department’s first public-facing website,” which helped “bring greater transparency to the department’s work.”
Just hours after Hicks confirmed Kirkpatrick’s plans to leave, the DoD announced that Timothy A. Phillips had been officially selected to serve as AARO’s Deputy Director.
In May, The Debrief reported on an unclassified vacancy for the position, originally posted in late April, which detailed the responsibilities for the second-in-command position.
On Wednesday, the DoD said Phillips had officially arrived on assignment for the position.
“A member of the Senior National Intelligence Service since 2006, Phillips brings to AARO his extensive experience in geospatial intelligence collection and mission management, expertise that is critical to enabling DOD and intelligence community components to successfully identify, characterize, and resolve unidentified anomalous phenomena,” the Pentagon said.
On Tuesday, Kirkpatrick told Politico that Phillips would serve as interim director after his departure “until the Pentagon hires a permanent replacement.”
Kirkpatrick and AARO have received significant attention in recent months. Last month, the release of AARO’s 2023 Annual Report on UAP added a total of 291 new UAP reports to the collection of cases it is currently working to resolve.
Just last week, the Pentagon announced that a new secure reporting system had been established at AARO’s website for U.S. government personnel who may know about secret programs involving UAP.
Any reports AARO collects through the new secure mechanism, which imposes strict limitations on what can be submitted based on classification of the relevant information, “will be used to inform AARO’s congressionally directed Historical Record Report, due to Congress by June 2024, and its investigations into alleged U.S. government UAP programs.”
Despite the new secure reporting mechanism that was recently made available on AARO’s website, U.S. government personnel are being instructed not to submit sightings of UAP directly through AARO’s website and are instead advised to “follow the process established by your service branch or federal agency to report the information to AARO.”
Claims of secret government programs involved in the collection of information—and possibly even physical evidence of exotic technologies—associated with UAP have persisted for decades.
In June, The Debrief was the first to report on a complaint filed with the Intelligence Community Inspector General involving the alleged existence of a secret U.S. program claimed to have been involved in the acquisition of craft believed to be of non-human origin.
The complaint was filed by David Grusch, a former intelligence officer who worked with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), serving as that agency’s liaison to AARO’s predecessor organization, the UAP Task Force, before he left government.
During a Congressional hearing in July, Grusch, along with former U.S. Navy fighter pilots David Fravor and Ryan Graves, testified under oath and told members of Congress that he had spoken with close to 40 individuals within the U.S. intelligence community with knowledge of the secretive UAP program.
Shortly after the hearing, Kirkpatrick wrote a statement that he shared on his LinkedIn page where he criticized several of the statements that had been made by the witnesses during the hearing.
“I cannot let yesterday’s hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community who chose to join AARO,” Kirkpatrick’s statement read.
“They are truth-seekers,” Kirkpatrick wrote of his staff in the statement, “as am I.”
“But you certainly would not get that impression from yesterday’s hearing,” Kirkpatrick added.
During a media roundtable on October 31, 2023, Kirkpatrick told reporters that since AARO had been established, Grusch had not yet visited him and his staff.
“Mr. Grusch, since AARO has stood up and since I’ve been director, has not come to see us and provided any information,” Kirkpatrick said during the off-camera media event. Asked if he had spoken with Grusch previously, Kirkpatrick acknowledged he had communicated with him in the past, but stated that it had likely been close to five years ago.
“So, the last time I believe I spoke with Mr. Grusch was when I was in the J2 at U.S. Space Command about five years ago,” Kirkpatrick said, adding that “it was not on this topic.”
Kirkpatrick added that he and his staff had interviewed “over 30 people now,” adding that he believed he and his staff had “interviewed most of the people that [Grusch] may have talked to, but we don’t know that.”
“And we have extended an invitation at least four or five times now for him to come in over the last eight months or so and [have] been declined,” Kirkpatrick also said.
Responding to a text message from NewsNation Senior National Correspondent Brian Entin, Grusch characterized Kirkpatrick’s statement as inaccurate.
“I have zero emails or calls from them,” Grusch was quoted saying of the alleged invitations from AARO Kirkpatrick referenced in the October 31 media roundtable.
“That is a lie,” Grusch added.
The announcement of Kirkpatrick’s planned departure from AARO next month comes amidst additional public criticism, which includes a Change.org petition calling for his removal.
Currently, there are no vacancies listed for the position of AARO Director on the website of the Director of National Intelligence.
However, Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks said on Wednesday that the Pentagon is currently coordinating with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) to select Kirkpatrick’s replacement.
Dejan Corovic
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glad that guy goes. He was just playing politics.
Dejan Corovic
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History is greatest thing in the world, but only when it is taken in a context with economy and science. Without economy and science history is just melodrama.
Second problem with history is that everything happens at once, and one can not understand one historical even without understanding context and to understand context it would take thousand pages for each little thing.
pigfarmer
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Agreed, and in topics that interest me I have taken pains to that. Most don't which is why I am extremely leery of easily cherry picked facts
Dejan Corovic
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I hate cherry picked facts as well. But it takes sooo much time to read reports about the same historical event and finally build real understanding of the context.
Did you know that Hitler was the richest man in Europe until 1945? That's because he sold 1.0 M copies of "Mein Kompf" but didn't pay any tax. As well his beautiful face adorned all the post stamps in the glorious Third Reich, but he was paid royalties for each single one, of course tax free. He earned a penny for each one of hundreds of millions of letters posted during his rein. Did average, brain washed German knew that? Of course not.
That puts completely different light on his personality and the context of Nazi politics, but it took me watching at least 50 documentaries about Nazis to dig that one out. Layers upon layers of cherry picked misinformation hide gems like these.
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nivek
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'People were screaming and scared': Air Force officer breaks silence on 'red, glowing UFO the size of a football field' hovering over US space launch base - in event witnessed by half dozen military personnel
The ex-Air Force security officer said he investigated two sightings of a 100-yard UFO witnessed by Boeing contractors and Air Force police on October 14, 2003. There's 'at least 80 people that know this happened,' the USAF vet., Jeff Nuccetelli, told the Merged podcast. As he recalled the eyewitnesses, 'They're scared. Everyone's freaked out'.
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Dejan Corovic
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This ex-marine keeps revealing a little bit more and more with each interview he's giving. In this latest interview he's saying, yes, there are black ops doing crash retrievals, but he's saying as well that man made UFOs that US has are more advanced then some of alien UFOs. And these black ops guys ride them US UFOs on a daily basis. Unbelievable.
And as far as I understood, these black ops guys are writing a book collectively and they are just awaiting for these witness protection laws to come in force to publish what's really going on.
View: https://youtu.be/nTu8UZuDugc
And as far as I understood, these black ops guys are writing a book collectively and they are just awaiting for these witness protection laws to come in force to publish what's really going on.
View: https://youtu.be/nTu8UZuDugc
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