UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact

Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
pigfarmer said:
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Essentially, military-industrial complex is openly admitting that it has crashed UFO material.

If military-industrial complex did not have any UFO material, there would be nothing to hide, no harm to them, and they would just let UFO disclosure legislation to go through. UFO disclosure legislation is only a problem if there is a hidden UFO stuff. This is so obvious, but it goes to show how much mainstream media is the part of coverup, because any journalist should be able to pick-up on this contradiction.
 
Spaceman spiff

Spaceman spiff

Noble
Yeah thats what I gathered too. One time may be a coincidence, them worried about something else, but with Project Blue Book and Condon Committee meddling, AARO essentially being a fox guarding the hen house and now this, it's 4 times. 4 times is a pattern. They definately have skeletons in their closets. Of course people who have not delved into ufology, being completely oblivious of this.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below

Former Navy rear admiral supports UFO whistleblower claims ​

A former Navy rear admiral and administrator of the government’s lead meteorological agency told NewsNation he believes whistleblower David Grusch’s claims of a secret UFO retrieval program run by the Pentagon. These are historic times in the growing push for greater government transparency surrounding UAPs, more commonly called UFOs. Legislation that adds unprecedented disclosure demands to the annual defense spending bill hangs in the balance.

NewsNation continues to put a spotlight on whistleblower testimony and efforts by lawmakers to bring more transparency to the UFO issue. One of those people is retired U.S. Navy Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, who led the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) under former President Donald Trump. Gallaudet said he is convinced the story Grusch is telling is true based on his experience in the military and government. He also told NewsNation correspondent Ross Coulthart there were attempts to cover up UFO sightings by members of the military. NewsNation is not able to independently verify the evidence that Gallaudet said led him to this conclusion.

Gallaudet said the planet has been visited by entities he described as “non-human.” He said he absolutely believes non-human intelligent beings are real. “We’re being visited by non-human intelligence with technology we really don’t understand and with intentions we don’t understand either,” he said. Gallaudet spent his career serving his country, starting in the Navy where he worked in areas like aircraft carrier combat operations and assisting Navy SEAL teams during counter-terrorism operations, according to his official biography.

More recently he served as acting administrator of NOAA, the agency that forecasts weather and monitors ocean and atmospheric conditions, where he analyzed the science behind weather and other phenomena. “One of my jobs in the Navy, I was the chief meteorologist of the Navy at the time when Orion was encountering the UAP off the U.S. East Coast,” he said.

Gallaudet said he received a video containing the “Go fast” video, which shows a fighter pilot’s encounter with a UAP, from his superior officers. “I learn now that these were occurring in training airspace and causing near mid-air collisions. So that safety issue is important,” he said. “But the Navy didn’t do anything about it. Then they actually pulled back that email from my computer on the secret network.”

Gallaudet believes that was part of a cover-up.

“This technology, we’re still trying to learn about and it could give us an advantage in any military conflict,” Gallaudet said. “That’s a good reason not to disclose the nature of the technology. I think for the foreseeable future, we don’t want to release and disclose all of the technology that we’ve recovered. However, I think it’s about time that we do disclose that we are in contact with non-human intelligence, that’s what needs to be put out there in the public.”

Gallaudet also said it’s important to talk openly about the flight safety risks that go along with UAP encounters. Despite his level of seniority in the Navy and NOAA, Gallaudet said he was not put into any UAP programs. “They’re special access programs, very tightly restricted. So you have to look into what one’s job is and the need to know,” he said. For classification or clearance at a certain level, Gallaudet explained those two elements are prerequisites to gaining access. “In my job as oceanographer of the Navy, for example, it really wouldn’t have made sense for me to have been read into these crash retrieval programs,” Gallaudet said. “it’s really kind of a Cold War legacy of over classification.”

The government has continued to deny any crash-retrieval programs involving non-human technology. While those like Grusch and Gallaudet are speaking out about their experiences, other high-ranking people in government continue to say they have seen no credible evidence of UAP phenomena. “What you have going on right now with legacy classify programs, special access programs without Congressional direction and White House policy, that’s not going to change,” he said.

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nivek

nivek

As Above So Below

Metallic egg-shaped UFO was kept at Area 51, claims whistleblower ​

A defense aerospace contractor has recounted the experiences of his great uncle who once worked at the secretive facility. Ever since Bob Lazar first came forward about what he saw at Area 51, the base - which is situated within the Nevada Test and Training Range approximately 83 miles north-west of Las Vegas - has become synonymous with stories of black projects and reverse-engineered alien technology.

Now Eric Taber, who has worked as a defense contractor for 13 years, has come forward to reveal what his late great uncle Sam Urquhart - who had worked as a contractor at the base - saw and heard during his time there. "My great uncle served in the Air Force for 28 years, E8 rank [equivalent to a First Sergeant]," he told Mail Online in an interview. "He told me he worked at Area 51 from 1997 until 2014."

According to Taber, Urquhart had been mostly reluctant to talk about the specifics of his work until, one day while they were chatting on the back porch, he had decided to reveal the details of something that a senior EG&G engineer had told him about - an object that had been allegedly recovered intact in the desert by the CIA in the 1980s.

"The senior EG&G engineer described to my great uncle that it was egg-shaped, about the size of an SUV, smooth and seamless, metallic-looking, silverish gray in color, with no control surfaces, no flaps, no inlet, and no exhaust, and no writing or symbols on the outside," he recalled. "These are the best and brightest engineers you can think of. They tried to no avail to figure out what the power source was, how to activate it, and how it works. They tried to induce electricity to it."

The engineers were allegedly unable to even penetrate the exterior of the craft, making it impossible to access whatever was inside. After a great deal of effort they were eventually able to acquire a small sample of its hull material for testing and determined that it had originated from beyond the Earth.

In the end, the object was shipped off to another base and his uncle never heard about it again. "Sam said the American people would probably never get to see it," said Taber.

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nivek

nivek

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Defense specialist encounters unidentified object 'going faster than the speed of sound underwater' while doing classified work on the Navy's USS Hampton submarine​

Bob McGwire, a professor at Virginia Tech and with the Institute for Defense Analyses, was carrying out classified work on the USS Hampton submarine when he heard the sound of 'something whizzing by.'

The onboard sonar determined the unidentified submerged object (USO) was traveling through the water faster than the speed of sound, he has calimed.

Such speeds underwater should have crushed the submarine, according to McGwire, but he said it was as if they were standing still.

McGwire said he urged the naval team to report the encounter, but they determined it would hinder the mission.

'When I left there with the knowledge in my head, not having been told to be quiet, not having been told it was classified... It is mine to tell whoever I want. They blew it,' McGwire said, noting he would not discuss the classified work done on the sub.'

The strange incident happened in the late 1990s, but McGwire recently came forward with the story on the YouTube channel UAP Society, where he wanted to 'blow the whole thing wide open.'

The story has also resurfaced online, sparking the attention of many people on social media who 'wonder what it was.'

McGwire has not shared what he was doing on the the Navy submarine, the location and depth it was at due to the information being classified.

The engagement lasted for just a few seconds, he said.

'We were underway, and, all of a sudden, I heard a sound. It is really strange and clear that something is whizzing by us,' said McGwire.

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J Randall Murphy

J Randall Murphy

Trying To Stay Awake
nivek said:

Defense specialist encounters unidentified object 'going faster than the speed of sound underwater' while doing classified work on the Navy's USS Hampton submarine​

Bob McGwire, a professor at Virginia Tech and with the Institute for Defense Analyses, was carrying out classified work on the USS Hampton submarine when he heard the sound of 'something whizzing by.'

The onboard sonar determined the unidentified submerged object (USO) was traveling through the water faster than the speed of sound, he has calimed.

Such speeds underwater should have crushed the submarine, according to McGwire, but he said it was as if they were standing still.

McGwire said he urged the naval team to report the encounter, but they determined it would hinder the mission.

'When I left there with the knowledge in my head, not having been told to be quiet, not having been told it was classified... It is mine to tell whoever I want. They blew it,' McGwire said, noting he would not discuss the classified work done on the sub.'

The strange incident happened in the late 1990s, but McGwire recently came forward with the story on the YouTube channel UAP Society, where he wanted to 'blow the whole thing wide open.'

The story has also resurfaced online, sparking the attention of many people on social media who 'wonder what it was.'

McGwire has not shared what he was doing on the the Navy submarine, the location and depth it was at due to the information being classified.

The engagement lasted for just a few seconds, he said.

'We were underway, and, all of a sudden, I heard a sound. It is really strange and clear that something is whizzing by us,' said McGwire.

(More on the link)

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Probably some sort of high-tech sonar spoofing countermeasure — perhaps along these lines:
US Patent Application for SONAR TORPEDO COUNTERMEASURE Patent Application (Application #20130088936 issued April 11, 2013) - Justia Patents Search
 
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pigfarmer

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I have been speculating, ad nauseum, that many of the tic-tacs and other things reported merely appear to be doing something impossible. The jury is still out as to whether they really are or not, and those of us sitting in our jammies are unlikely to really know for sure any time soon. They certainly like to hang around areas the US Navy has traditionally kept its secrets, and that can be interpreted several ways. The fact that they tend to appear in training areas tends to reinforce this, at least to the military geek in me.

I could believe its ET given good enough reason to, especially considering some of the cases from many years ago when we lacked the level of technology we now enjoy. Not saying it isn't, just that a terrestrial explanation is by default more likely. In 2024 the stuff we actually know about blows me away sometimes, I can only imagine what we don't.
 
Rick Hunter

Rick Hunter

Celestial
The one thing it has going for it is the fact that alot of defense computer systems still look like that. I once read an article about the massive amounts of ancient hardware still in use by DOD. My uncle was a computer guy for them from the 60's well into the 90's and he said they were still using the big floppy discs and even reel to reel tapes on their systems.
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below
A new searchable database has appeared...

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UAP sightings featured by the UAPSRS on this website can be explored in several ways, including the categories listed below, as well as the Searchable Table of UAP Sightings further down on this page. Basic searches based on location, year, and UAP shape can be initiated below: Country...
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nivek

nivek

As Above So Below

Top secret UFO meeting in Congress to reveal 'classified' details of illegal crash retrieval program​

Congress has been promised fresh details this week on last year's shocking allegations of an illegal UFO crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program.

The charges, made by former high-ranking US intelligence official David Grusch, accuse both the US military and its defense contractors of stonewalling on evidence of crashed UFOs, recovered 'beings,' and even UFO-related deaths.

While Americans wait in anticipation for possible new details, a source with direct knowledge of standard operations inside the US Intelligence Community's Inspector General's office (IC IG) told DailyMail.com that the meeting will be 'only for show.'

'The IG, when he goes and briefs Oversight, his job, between you and I, is going to be to make them feel as though they're getting information,' this source said, 'and basically tell them nothing.'

Although some House Oversight members intimated last November that they have now acquired 'permission' to view the classified version of Grusch's formal IC IG complaint, this source said: 'I do not expect that to occur.'

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J Randall Murphy

J Randall Murphy

Trying To Stay Awake
pigfarmer said:
I have been speculating, ad nauseum, that many of the tic-tacs and other things reported merely appear to be doing something impossible. The jury is still out as to whether they really are or not, and those of us sitting in our jammies are unlikely to really know for sure any time soon. They certainly like to hang around areas the US Navy has traditionally kept its secrets, and that can be interpreted several ways. The fact that they tend to appear in training areas tends to reinforce this, at least to the military geek in me.

I could believe its ET given good enough reason to, especially considering some of the cases from many years ago when we lacked the level of technology we now enjoy. Not saying it isn't, just that a terrestrial explanation is by default more likely. In 2024 the stuff we actually know about blows me away sometimes, I can only imagine what we don't.
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This is interesting, as you use the term "impossible" here — I imagine — similar to the way I use it with respect to afterlives. Just like with afterlives, I'm not saying that there aren't phenomena that lead people to believe in alien visitation. There most certainly is. It's just not the case that it's always what we think it is. Setting aside specific cases - there's nothing scientifically or logically impossible about alien visitation, and personally, I believe it's real. However on a case-by-case basis, the evidence is insufficient to apease most skeptics.

The problem for me these days is that more down-to-Earth problems, like authoritarian governments mandating vaccines that have injured and killed millions of people while the mainstream media covers it with lies and propaganda. I'll probably get back to Ufology at some point, but this situation with the WEF, WHO, Captured agencies, and the miltary pharmaceutical complex, is really far more concerning ( to me ) - at the moment. What really pisses me off is that Gene & I had the opportunity to fight the good fight with it way back at the beginning, but he swallowed the propaganda hook, line, and sinker - and dug in so deep that he'll probably never see the light.

It's also divided the ufology community to a certain extent. The ones on the other side of the barricades are with those who supported one of the greatest attrocities in human history — but they think they're the ones who are morally superior. It sickens me.
 
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pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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J Randall Murphy said:
you use the term "impossible" here
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Actually, I'm just paraphrasing what I've heard regarding the behavior of the tic-tacs and Nimitz. In that context I was suggesting that since military deception is something that many states have invested heavily in that it can't be easily discounted but often seems to be because ET is a sexier theory.
 
J Randall Murphy

J Randall Murphy

Trying To Stay Awake
pigfarmer said:
Actually, I'm just paraphrasing what I've heard regarding the behavior of the tic-tacs and Nimitz. In that context I was suggesting that since military deception is something that many states have invested heavily in that it can't be easily discounted but often seems to be because ET is a sexier theory.
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Definitely - It's that "imposibility" perspective on certain maneuvers and behavior of the tic-tacs that suggests something more like high tech optical/radar coutermeasures than a material craft.
 
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