What Will The Afterlife Be Like?

nivek

As Above So Below
Centuries ago there were people like this scientist telling everyone the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth...

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I'm a theoretical physicist and here's why life after death is IMPOSSIBLE

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In a recently resurfaced video from 2012, theoretical physicist Sean Carroll gave a talk on the matter.

The academic - an external professor at the Santa Fe Institute and Homewood Professor of Natural Philosophy at Johns Hopkins University - said that the 'the laws of physics underlying everyday life are completely understood'.

Because of this, once we stop existing as a physical being, Carroll explained, there is no material understanding of how we could continue to live in our world.

'That's because there are no particles and forces that could contain the information in your brain after you die,' he told an audience at The Amazing Meeting (TAM) 2012, in Nevada.

'There is no way for that knowledge of who you are before you died to persist after the chemical reaction that defines your life comes to an end.

'And I'm speaking really here about some extra material spirit that would somehow be you even after your body ceased to exist - that is not compatible with the laws of physics as we know it.'


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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Centuries ago there were people like this scientist telling everyone the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth...

I would call a bluff here, that is what religious people were saying.

Facts that Earth is round by no means ever came from religious people, but from science people.

Science, as a method, depends on evolution of knowledge. There is no reason why scientists, say 5,000 years ago believed that Earth is flat, but changed their mind once evidence to contrary was discovered. There is no thousand years old scripture from which scientists cite their knowledge.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
We are free to moo and stomp our hooves and crap all over the place while we're in this chute that eventually leads up to that big pneumatic hammer. End result is the same.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I have to slow down a tad, a shame when I come up with a good line and then trip over my fingers typing it without noticing
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Seems NYU has a specialized resuscitation lab that recently published an article with findings that at first sound like 'yeah, and ..... ? we already knew that ....' . Apparently they have scientifically quantified biomarkers that show that the human brain is far more resilient that suspected, that it can regain full function well beyond the point previously thought and that the experiences reported - out of body, life review - are not simply dreams, they're quite real and universal. That last bit has me wondering - but read it yourself. Attached is the paper itself

A surprising quote:
Resuscitation survival rates are frustratingly low, Parnia explained. “Our survival rate is not very good,” in part because technologies haven’t advanced much since 1960, when CPR was invented. “That’s how we feel in the world of resuscitation.”

I guess why they have that lab ...

There is life after death: Revived patients share out-of-body experiences in startling NYU report

There is life after death: Revived patients share out-of-body experiences in startling NYU report​

By
Marc Lallanilla
Published Sep. 15, 2023, 4:48 p.m. ET

It’s not a deathbed myth: Our lives really do flash before our eyes when we die, according to a new report from the NYU Grossman School of Medicine.
“I remember seeing my dad,” said one patient after flatlining.
“I caught glimpses of my life and felt pride, love, joy and sadness, all pouring into me,” recalled another after being pulled back from the brink.
“I do remember a being of light … standing near me. It was looming over me like a great tower of strength, yet radiating only warmth and love,” a third survivor shared.
These and many other haunting recollections were described by cardiac arrest patients who underwent cardiopulmonary resuscitation as they hovered on death’s doorstep.
Typically, doctors have assumed there is little to no brain activity after about 10 minutes of cardiac arrest, when the heart stops beating, depriving the brain of oxygen.
However, the new research from NYU turns that misconception on its head.
“There are signs of normal and near normal brain activity found up to an hour into resuscitation,” Dr. Sam Parnia, an associate professor of medicine at NYU Langone Health, told The Post in a wide-ranging interview.
‘I was shown the consequences of my life, thousands of people that I’d interacted with and felt what they felt about me, saw their life and how I had impacted them. Next I saw the consequences of my life and the influence of my actions.’
The recollection of one revived patient whose identity has been preserved for privacy purposes
“We were not only able to show the markers of lucid consciousness — we were also able to show that these experiences are unique and universal. They’re different from dreams, illusions and delusions.”
Parnia is the lead author of a study published this week in the journal Resuscitation that studied brain activity and awareness among 53 patients who survived cardiac arrest at 25 hospitals, mostly in the US and UK.
The researchers were able to show that the brain is surprisingly more durable than most doctors had previously believed.
“Our brain is very robust” and “is more resilient to oxygen deprivation” than expected, said Parnia, adding that the organ “can restore itself and have markers of normal brain activity.”
Of the 53 surviving patients in the study, almost 40% reported having memories or conscious thoughts. Patients in the study asked that their identities not be revealed for privacy reasons.
The patients also had spikes in the gamma, delta, theta, alpha and beta brain waves associated with higher mental function, as recorded by an electroencephalogram, a technology that records brain activity with electrodes.
Infographic on a new study about lucid dying People who flatlined for up to an hour often experienced “lucid dying,” according to study author Dr. Sam Parnia.Getty Images/ABSODELS RF
‘I was no longer in my body. I floated without weight or physicality. I was above my body and directly below the ceiling of the intensive therapy room. I observed the scene taking place below me.’
Anonymous patient
“There is a narrative arc in people who are having a near-death experience,” Parnia said of the common themes that survivors recalled. “Their consciousness becomes heightened, more vivid and more sharp.”
One of the most common shared experiences among people who have been revived following cardiac arrest is a 360-degree awareness of the space around them.
“In death, they have a perception that they are separate from their body,” Parnia said, “and then they can move around. But they’re in that [hospital] room and they’re gathering information. They felt that they were fully conscious.”
In that state of awareness, they’re often observing doctors and nurses working to save their lives, but their observation is completely placid and free of fear or distress.
Cardiac arrest patients revived after near-death experiences often report eerily similar thoughts and feelings. I had no fear about where I was going and what to expect when I arrived there, one survivor said. Then I felt warmth … Then there was the desire to be home. Cardiac arrest patients revived after near-death experiences often report eerily similar thoughts and feelings. “I had no fear about where I was going and what to expect when I arrived there,” one survivor said. “Then I felt warmth … Then there was the desire to be home.”NY Post
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Resuscitation survival rates are frustratingly low, in part because technologies haven’t advanced much since CPR was invented in 1960. “I could feel someone doing something on my chest. I couldn’t feel the actual compressions, but I could feel someone rubbing quite hard,” one revived patient told NYU researchers. “It was quite painful.”sopiangraphics – stock.adobe.com
‘I remember walking away through a canyon. On either side of the canyon were men in white robes with hoods hiding their faces. The last thing I remember was all of them pointing to me.’
Another revived patient who ‘died’ and was brought back to life
And, yes, many people actually do see their lives pass before their eyes, much like in stories from folklore and popular media.
“Somehow in death their entire life comes to the fore,” said Parnia. “It’s a deep, purposeful and meaningful reevaluation of their lives.”
This review of their lives isn’t in any particular order, Parnia said, but more of a dive into morality and ethics. “It’s not a chronology. It’s a purposeful reevaluation of the things that we strive for in life, like a promotion at work.
“What becomes a primary reality is how we treat other people,” added Parnia, who is also director of critical care and resuscitation research at NYU Langone Health. “It’s not random flashbacks. There’s so much more.”
Another common theme is the sense of arriving at a place that feels utterly familiar: home. “Somewhere that they feel they recognize, and are going back to. They continue on the rest of this journey to a place that they feel is like home,” Parnia said.
“What’s interesting is that this is universal, in the US and in other countries.”
Science doesn’t yet fully understand how or why these common experiences occur, but Parnia believes the brain’s normal operating focus, which gets us through the day, becomes relaxed and “disinhibited” during near-death experiences.
Lead study author Dr. Sam Parnia consults with colleagues at NYU Langone. Lead study author Parnia (center) consults with colleagues at NYU Langone Health.NYU LANGONE
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‘I was asked if I wanted to come home … or wanted to come back here. I told them that my two sons needed me and I had to go back. I was suddenly in my body again feeling my achy joints flaring in pain.’
Anonymous patient
“Normally, there are braking systems that keep us from accessing all aspects of our brain,” Parnia explained. “The rest of the functions of your brain are dampened.”
But, “as the brain shuts down, as a defense mechanism to preserve itself [during cardiac arrest], the brakes are off.”
That’s when people “get activation of other parts of the brain that have been dormant. You get access to your entire consciousness and things that you normally can’t access, all of your emotions, feelings, thoughts and memories.
“These are not hallucinations. These are very real experiences that occur in death,” Parnia added.
The research being conducted at NYU Langone Health and other research centers represents a breakthrough in resuscitation, a specialty that has lagged behind other areas of medical research.
Life after death “Somehow in death their entire life comes to the fore,” said Parnia of reports from patients who survived death experiences. “It’s a deep, purposeful and meaningful reevaluation of their lives.”Getty Images
Resuscitation survival rates are frustratingly low, Parnia explained. “Our survival rate is not very good,” in part because technologies haven’t advanced much since 1960, when CPR was invented. “That’s how we feel in the world of resuscitation.”

 

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Rick Hunter

Celestial
Dr. Eben Alexander is the best example I've heard of. Guy had no measurable brain activity for days and not only made a full recovery but reported one helluva experience in the afterlife.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Dr. Eben Alexander is the best example I've heard of. Guy had no measurable brain activity for days and not only made a full recovery but reported one helluva experience in the afterlife.
yeah, that one is really disturbing. makes you wonder what goes on in that feller's head on a regular basis for that to pop up in an NDE
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
All I remember is him likening his experience to being a worm in the soil so I started looking him up maybe to find a summary. What I found is that maybe he'd best stick to writing books. He seems to have operated on incorrect locations, twice no less. I think I have Proof of Heaven around here somewhere but recall closing it with the thought Proof of Guaranteed Book Sale with that title.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Some esoteric beliefs systems hold the notion that there are one of two places most people (souls) go to before their next incarnation, exceptions to this of course...They say this is also where the religions get the notion of heaven and hell from, because one of these two places can be considered hell and the other could be considered heaven in comparison...That's because one place is an emotional realm which is compared to hell because of all of the emotional instabilities awaiting for those lacking emotional development and the other a mental realm which is considered a better place because although there are mental instabilities awaiting those with little to no mental disciplines there is also peace and harmony for those of greater self-discipline as one must pass through the emotional realm before the mental realm...I've read about this a few times over the years, however I have the feeling this concept was originally derived from the challenges individuals deal with internally when faced with emotional and mental obstacles and self-development...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Some esoteric beliefs systems hold the notion that there are one of two places most people (souls) go to before their next incarnation, exceptions to this of course...They say this is also where the religions get the notion of heaven and hell from, because one of these two places can be considered hell and the other could be considered heaven in comparison...That's because one place is an emotional realm which is compared to hell because of all of the emotional instabilities awaiting for those lacking emotional development and the other a mental realm which is considered a better place because although there are mental instabilities awaiting those with little to no mental disciplines there is also peace and harmony for those of greater self-discipline as one must pass through the emotional realm before the mental realm...I've read about this a few times over the years, however I have the feeling this concept was originally derived from the challenges individuals deal with internally when faced with emotional and mental obstacles and self-development...

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quite literally an angel on one shoulder and a demon on the other
Shoulder angel - Wikipedia
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
I have been binge watching the YouTube channel The Other Side NDE. Only a few to go to finish it.

Much can be learned from it this way. The experiences from an NDE is custom to the experiencer...but there are many commonalities that should help answer many questions.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I'm uncertain about an afterlife. I've spent my life searching for answers to life's big questions, just like many others. Unfortunately, many of these questions don't have clear answers. It's a sobering thought that, if we were to distill all of human knowledge, only a fraction would constitute empirical facts.

There are various perspectives on the process of death and dying, but every individual who witnesses or experiences it will have their own unique perception. In my 46 years of life, I've encountered death in various forms. It has arrived suddenly, and I've also seen it approach from a distance. I've been by the side of individuals diagnosed with aggressive cancers, witnessing their fear and sometimes the loss of hope. From my observations, death seldom possesses a poetic quality; in some instances, it lacks dignity altogether. The genuine art, the authentic poetry, lies in the way we have lived our lives and in what the world forfeits when it loses us.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The process of dying is never pretty; dignity is the first casualty and awareness the last. The actual process of dying - that scary part where we actually drop dead - is the part that worries me. There are many ways to go and I can only hope mine isn't like some I've seen. A quick death in your sleep is a reward for living a good life I think.

As for what happens next, I honestly expect something. To be greeted by friends and relatives, pets. I've mentioned this here before, but my Mom came out of a morphine coma to lucidly speak to her father who just happened to be standing right behind me. No mean feat, she hadn't spoken in days and had no teeth. Barely understandable even when she was talking. She weighed maybe 70lbs at that point and had to be tied down as the excessive amounts of morphine caused convulsions. Believe me, that episode made a permanent impression on me.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
The process of dying is never pretty; dignity is the first casualty and awareness the last. The actual process of dying - that scary part where we actually drop dead - is the part that worries me. There are many ways to go and I can only hope mine isn't like some I've seen. A quick death in your sleep is a reward for living a good life I think.

As for what happens next, I honestly expect something. To be greeted by friends and relatives, pets. I've mentioned this here before, but my Mom came out of a morphine coma to lucidly speak to her father who just happened to be standing right behind me. No mean feat, she hadn't spoken in days and had no teeth. Barely understandable even when she was talking. She weighed maybe 70lbs at that point and had to be tied down as the excessive amounts of morphine caused convulsions. Believe me, that episode made a permanent impression on me.

Both my parents died from cancer. My Mom was a lifelong smoker since the age of 15. It wasn’t pretty. My Dad had prostate cancer. He was in a lot of pain. He was so doped up on pain meds he couldn’t recognize anyone towards the end. I want to go quickly if possible.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
After you die, you turn into fertiliser and help some weed seeds grow.
That's all that's to it,

That is pretty much what happens to the physical body if not for the choice of cremation...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I choose cremation. Further, I have instructed my attorney to track down a list of specific people I am interested in who will then have a handful of my ashes thrown in their face.
 
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