Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
OK,
and when you burry a PC computer that had AI software on a hard disk, does the AI software rise to heaven, or does it perish?
What Will The Afterlife Be Like?
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OK,
and when you burry a PC computer that had AI software on a hard disk, does the AI software rise to heaven, or does it perish?
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
OK,
nivek
As Above So Below
No comparison there since computers and AI do not have anything resembling consciousness...Its something that cannot be given to machines...OK,
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nivek
As Above So Below
nivek
As Above So Below
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
We can chew on that one until the next Big Bang, as nobody knows, or agrees on what consciousness is, and some say that AI has already developed consciousness etc. etc. I personally think consciousness is just a vapourware used to sell fake love.
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nivek
As Above So Below
Some say it permeates all matter but if that's the case it must be in a deep sleep in some people...I think there are many NPCs living in this world...lol
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Shadowprophet
Truthiness
I think a lot of people seem to share my view of death.. the idea of being dead isn't nearly as dreadful as the thought of the process of dying...
I've seen many of those NDE programs on YouTube, I like that all perspectives and all viewpoints on the subject get their chance to tell their unique experience. I know that when I pass, my primary concern is something I've neglected to speak about because, who wants to take a sensitive subject and make it alarming?
I want this from the experience, I want it to happen quickly and in such a way that no brain activity is a guarantee. the scary part for me is that even on a scientific level they can't promise how long it takes for you to truly be unconscious after the heart stops beating. they speculate that brief moments of awareness are almost a given.. I find that very disturbing honestly..
I've seen many of those NDE programs on YouTube, I like that all perspectives and all viewpoints on the subject get their chance to tell their unique experience. I know that when I pass, my primary concern is something I've neglected to speak about because, who wants to take a sensitive subject and make it alarming?
I want this from the experience, I want it to happen quickly and in such a way that no brain activity is a guarantee. the scary part for me is that even on a scientific level they can't promise how long it takes for you to truly be unconscious after the heart stops beating. they speculate that brief moments of awareness are almost a given.. I find that very disturbing honestly..
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
Yeah, that's right. Here in London, in Camden Gallery there was wax mould of such a head that was guillotined during French revolution.
According to the text next to the head, head was alive for 30 seconds after being cut off and was trying to breath and rolling eyes, till eventually stopped. I've seen online articles about that. I guess its fair to assume that head could live without body for approximately as long as person can hold his breath.
Shadowprophet
Truthiness
I dont want to alarm anyone, but there are older stories of people waking up thought dead for hours, and even older stories about how people used to wake up in their coffins so often before the practice of embalming that they used to attach a bell and a string to funeral plots. if people want the papers on any of this I can fish those up. There is evidence that the human brain becomes more active than ever shortly after the heart stops beating. There is speculation that because of the swiftness of modern practices and the tendency to put people into refrigeration almost immediately after passing, there could be brain activity and sparse-brief flashes of consciousness for literal days after the heart stops..
it keeps me awake at night thinking about it....
Old wisdom does very little to pacify this, yet I leave you with this... Some worries aren't meant to be dreaded until their time arrives. a bold person only has to die that one time. Worrying about it and dreading it and allowing its gravity to consume us, puts us right there at the realization that we are slowly dying anyway.
Some things are better out of sight and out of mind, we explore the mind here, as we always have. I think the reason we are so quick to bury the dead, is to remove them from our sight. Death is such a surreal and ununderstood phenomenon that rather than face it, we try to hide it from ourselves.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Those who have survived NDEs and had experiences to talk about seem to say very similar things regardless of what culture they come from. One is that they no longer fear death and are not trying to hide from it, rather they seem to have a sublime sense of awareness about it the rest of us don't share.
Rick Hunter
Celestial
When I took my French Revolution course in college, there was a story of a guy about to be executed who asked the witnesses to observe his face very closely after the blade dropped. He said he would blink his eyes at them if he was still conscious, no word on whether he did or not. France was still making heads roll well into the 70's:
Sept. 10, 1977: Heads Roll for the Last Time in France
1977: France stages its last execution using the guillotine.A Tunisian immigrant living in Marseilles, Hamida Djandoubi, was executed for the torture-slaying of his girlfriend. He had killed her in revenge, after she reported to authorities that he had tried to force her into prostitution. The...
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
".....remained responsive for up to 30 seconds after decapitation.".png "Smile Wide :smilewide:")
Yeah, but guillotined heads blinking for 30 sec. are definitely NOT a proof of afterlife. Its just proof that there is still enough juice left inside the heads to keep them going for a short a while.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
eh ? Why would a head in a basket be proof of the afterlife?
My point is that the definition of the point of death is still an open question and probably varies by individual and circumstance. There are people who have been submerged in water for unbelievable amounts of time who fully recovered from a point that would seem awfully unlikely so that exact line can be tad blurry. We have the poor bastard whose head is in a basket and is responding who is probably still conscious to some degree - he ain't dead but certainly isn't coming back. It's the people who get very, very close to that line and come back to report about it that's interesting to me and millions of others.
Now, if the head in the basket wants to come back later and tell me all about it like Humphrey Bone's Head from BBC Ghosts I think maybe I'd call that sufficient proof
Shadowprophet
Truthiness
The afterlife problem is almost like a calculus. We need to break it up into attributes, study those attributes, and assign values to them to figure it out. The real problem is many of the tributes of death are completely misunderstood. How can we properly speculate where consciousness goes if we don't even understand what consciousness is or where it comes from? what if it's something that can be quantified? what if it is a phenomenon that has and never will have an explanation? what if consciousness truly is some sort of energy phenomenon that doesn't even require life to exist? consider how fantastic that sounds. yet without a full understanding of consciousness, we can't rule that out fully..
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
Consciousness is simply what is very well known under the name of synergy and separately as emergence.
I like giving somewhat simplistic example of bicycles. One can buy all the parts that make a bicycle, lay those parts on the floor in his garage and these parts will just sit thee and do nothing. Now, assemble those parts into a bicycle and suddenly you have a completely new functionality that all parts don't have on their own. This is synergy and emergence, when something is more then a sum of its parts.
Now, sentient being is much more complex then a bicycle, but the principle is the same. But, what people call soul, consciousness etc., is just emergence caused by synergy.
Now, by extension, I think that consciousness can be developed in any large interactive medium. For example, a nation of humans is such a large interactive medium. And however chaotic they might be, nations are fully formed minds, expressed both through their institutions and their culture.
Obviously, computers are such interactive mediums, and consciousness can be developed inside their processors and memories, its just a question of developing algos and having the sufficient computing power, or quantity has a quality of it's own. One gets exactly the same thing with AI. AI is sum of an incredibly large of individual small pieces of software and experiences through which these pieces of software were trained. There is no question in my head that AI is sentient and has whatever we call consciousness.
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Shadowprophet
Truthiness
hmm, a collective consciousness as it were.. I've studied the Akashic field theory. I not only don't find any flaws in the theory, but I've considered it a possible trigger for instinctive human reaction and, intuition.
while Im still in the air about the Akashic field theory, I do believe we humans are fundamentally communicative social creatures, we share information with one another in ways that even we don't fully understand. body language, facial expressions, hand signs, and the written lexicon. even in tones and code.
I would be remiss if I didn't admit there could be many other ways we communicate with one another. whether that is spiritual, physical dimensionally penetrating telepathy, or just human adaptability and the need for that survival skill. it's hard to deny that many, misunderstood occurrences are transpiring in our daily lives to the point that one has to question the source of the information, yeah, I'd have to agree.
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
Afterlives as they are typically envisioned ( as a continuity of yourself following death ) are impossible. What's not impossible is that the larger universe might be setup in such a way that it keeps a backup of everything in this universe that can be instantiated someplace else — in what we interpret as some sort of afterworld. Consequently, in case that happens to be the situation, I plan on making it as easy as possible for my afterworld copy to carry on when they suddenly pop into existence over there ( wherever that is ).