Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

[Double Nought Spy]

He just needs to head on down to the unemployment office.

 

[UAPwatchdog]

UAPwatchdog, amen.

It makes no sense to me either. I feel he must be misrepresenting things to convey a sense of pressure and urgency that might motivate people to give him money.

Anyway, sorry, TL;DR: I 100% agree something doesn't add up here at all, I think it's all about manipulating people to get cash out of them, but it could be Gene's thinking and priorities really are that disordered.

You're right on more than you think. He just posted a second update today that conveys that bizarre sense of urgent, non-urgency:

How has he ordered the services of a mover, and presumably renting storage, being hundreds of dollars short while they move it in 100+ degree weather?! This tells me he's misrepresenting things, and will go back and say he had to pay out of his 'future apartment' pile to move his furniture, and his 'furniture pile' was hundreds of dollars short. Just like his 'car registration pile' that would actually mean he had to do some semblance of work (as if ride sharing really is anyway, but that's a different subject) has been short for a week.

That's completely deceptive and deceitful. You ARE NOT hundreds of dollars short if you have it for something else and then have to use it for services that YOU purchased, Gene. Can't you get that through your arrogant head? If he's literally hundreds of dollars short to his name, how has he got them to show up at his former place to begin with???

Throw in the bizarre 'I won't bore you with details' and a random tangent with some wild claim about being stalked and his dog taken, and it just shows the kind of mentality this guy has. You're supposedly DAYS from being homeless, but you're worried about what someone on a Twitter account says about you?

 

[goblin]

And yet, with the multiple impending deadlines and the crisis reaching epic proportions this was his priority Thursday afternoon. Recording an episode of his Gold Standard podcast.

Last Minute: Ecker and Murphy!

That has to be one of the most important points in all of this. It's truly incredible, and might even be admirable if I weren't fairly certain he is a mentally ill con man.

 

[Black Angus]

I want to address a couple of points raised recently.

The first is his sad claim he wishes he would die in his sleep tonight.
This is inconsistent with his discussion with me where he claims going into a nursing home would be the death of him.

Ive posted links showing poverty takes 10 years of your life, its logical that in going into a nursing home it would remove the poverty aspect and thus extend his life.

Which scenario is the better outcome for his wife ?

Dying tonight in his sleep
Or
Going into a nursing home and living stress and poverty free for a while longer

Clearly the latter option is the better one for everyone, its very selfish of him to inflict the first on his wife as a choice.

Tim Binnall offered to pay 500 bucks for teddy bear and give him a good home. And while as a dog owner i would rather sleep in a tent than give up one of my dogs. The way Gene is portraying the offer is dishonest.

I predict you are not hearing about the car registration because its been paid, and thus cant be used to milk any more sympathy at this point. So that aspect will just disappear .

 

[Black Angus]

I also want to touch on the "story" of his deceased brother Stephen. heres what ive found as posted by another at Jack Brewers site

Stephen ran a company called numis gems - which specialized in coins and sports memorabilia. In 2004, he pled guilty to selling unregistered securities (in exchange for dropping 13 counts of theft and fraud). Soon after, the copyright on Stephen's site changed from Numis Gems, Inc. to Gene's Making the Impossible, Inc.

BREAKING NEWS: THE TRUTH BEHIND NUMIS GEMS AND GENE STEINBERG

Gene was listed as the Agent/Director/Officer for Numis Gems, Inc. He was more involved in his brother in-laws failed, illegal business venture than we thought. He was an OWNER of it. Go back through this thread and you will see reference to the infamous lawsuit (that Gene says left him destitute and the reason why he has been begging for 12 years to his Paracast list). Gene's brother in law (who died) was selling illegal securities. A stock scam. Supposedly, the lawsuit is what started the whole financial downfall and sucked all his retirement funds. Follow the breadcrumbs. There's more to this story. Another con job Gene was involved with. It never ends!!!

--------------------------------

NUMIS GEMS, INC. :: OpenCorporates

NUMIS GEMS, INC.
Company Number
10968781
Incorporation Date
29 September 2003 (over 14 years ago)
Company Type
BUSINESS
Jurisdiction
Arizona (US)
Registered Address
8858 E PALM RIDGE DR
SCOTTSDALE, AZ 85260
United States
Agent Name
GENE STEINBERG
Agent Address
8858 E PALM RIDGE DR SCOTTSDALE, AZ 85260
Directors / Officers
GENE STEINBERG, agent
GENE STEINBERG, secretary, 17 Feb 2004-
Registry Page

Now i have agonized about posting what i post next, i consider it bad form to re-post PM's. Ive had to weigh up the pro's and con's (it would be funny if it wasn't so serious)

Posting this damages my reputation and i do it with great reluctance, but if it helps one person avoid getting conned out of their hard earned cash........

He not only wants the money he lost, but interest on it as well, and he didnt even offer to throw in the paracast for that sort of payment.

Do not give this person any money........................... He has options but would rather take other peoples money instead.

And thats not counting the money he stole from landlords

Note that Gene Steinberg has 7 judgments, or more, entered against him, just in Arizona totaling almost $50,000. These don't even include eviction orders, which probably puts his total judgment count up to around a dozen or so:

CV1996-018304 Steinberg, Eugene - DOB: N/A - $4,280.48
CV1994-009488 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $1,642.67
CV2001-019951 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - no amount listed
CV2002-005870 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $136.00
CV2005-012609 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $28,317.20 + $1,074.00
CV2007-008361 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $5,894.90 + $389.40
CV2007-011472 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - No amount listed

 

[Black Angus]

Gene, i know you scan these threads.
Your choices are twofold:

Get your wish and die in your sleep tonight, leaving barbara unable to fend for herself after surgery in some sleazy motel with the rent paid for a few days.
Or be a man and go to a nursing home. If you do die there instead of tonight in a motel, at least you know she will be taken care of.
Do you really want her to wake up in some sleazy motel and have to bury you and fend for herself while recovering ?

All we are hearing is a selfish narrative that shows no compassion for her well being going forward.

You have never been a forward planner, or you wouldn't be in this mess. At the very end do it now for her sakes.

You say she doesn't want to go into a nursing home, but she will if you die in your sleep tonight.
So factor that reality into you choices today, do the right thing by her. Set her up in a home and then you can expire at will or otherwise.

Put her first for once Gene.

 

[goblin]

I also want to touch on the "story" of his deceased brother Stephen. heres what ive found as posted by another at Jack Brewers site

Stephen ran a company called numis gems - which specialized in coins and sports memorabilia. In 2004, he pled guilty to selling unregistered securities (in exchange for dropping 13 counts of theft and fraud). Soon after, the copyright on Stephen's site changed from Numis Gems, Inc. to Gene's Making the Impossible, Inc.

BREAKING NEWS: THE TRUTH BEHIND NUMIS GEMS AND GENE STEINBERG

Gene was listed as the Agent/Director/Officer for Numis Gems, Inc. He was more involved in his brother in-laws failed, illegal business venture than we thought. He was an OWNER of it. Go back through this thread and you will see reference to the infamous lawsuit (that Gene says left him destitute and the reason why he has been begging for 12 years to his Paracast list). Gene's brother in law (who died) was selling illegal securities. A stock scam. Supposedly, the lawsuit is what started the whole financial downfall and sucked all his retirement funds. Follow the breadcrumbs. There's more to this story. Another con job Gene was involved with. It never ends!!!

--------------------------------

NUMIS GEMS, INC. :: OpenCorporates

NUMIS GEMS, INC.
Company Number
10968781
Incorporation Date
29 September 2003 (over 14 years ago)
Company Type
BUSINESS
Jurisdiction
Arizona (US)
Registered Address
8858 E PALM RIDGE DR
SCOTTSDALE, AZ 85260
United States
Agent Name
GENE STEINBERG
Agent Address
8858 E PALM RIDGE DR SCOTTSDALE, AZ 85260
Directors / Officers
GENE STEINBERG, agent
GENE STEINBERG, secretary, 17 Feb 2004-
Registry Page

Now i have agonized about posting what i post next, i consider it bad form to re-post PM's. Ive had to weigh up the pro's and con's (it would be funny if it wasn't so serious)

Posting this damages my reputation and i do it with great reluctance, but if it helps one person avoid getting conned out of their hard earned cash........

He not only wants the money he lost, but interest on it as well, and he didnt even offer to throw in the paracast for that sort of payment.

Do not give this person any money........................... He has options but would rather take other peoples money instead.

And thats not counting the money he stole from landlords

Note that Gene Steinberg has 7 judgments, or more, entered against him, just in Arizona totaling almost $50,000. These don't even include eviction orders, which probably puts his total judgment count up to around a dozen or so:

CV1996-018304 Steinberg, Eugene - DOB: N/A - $4,280.48
CV1994-009488 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $1,642.67
CV2001-019951 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - no amount listed
CV2002-005870 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $136.00
CV2005-012609 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $28,317.20 + $1,074.00
CV2007-008361 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - $5,894.90 + $389.40
CV2007-011472 Steinberg, Gene - DOB: N/A - No amount listed

Hmmm, the graphic you posted of the PMs is not loading for me, so I cannot see that, but otherwise... all very sobering stuff. I wish his cheerleaders on Facebook were aware of all this. If they know all this and still choose to enable him, well, so be it, but I imagine most are uninformed.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

Gene likes to claim he had no real involvement in Numis Gems, but if you search that business name, Gene's name is all over it and the BIL is all but completely missing. That and the apparent plea bargain... Hmmmm...

 

[UAPwatchdog]

Gene, i know you scan these threads.
Your choices are twofold:

Get your wish and die in your sleep tonight, leaving barbara unable to fend for herself after surgery in some sleazy motel with the rent paid for a few days.
Or be a man and go to a nursing home. If you do die there instead of tonight in a motel, at least you know she will be taken care of.
Do you really want her to wake up in some sleazy motel and have to bury you and fend for herself while recovering ?

All we are hearing is a selfish narrative that shows no compassion for her well being going forward.

You have never been a forward planner, or you wouldn't be in this mess. At the very end do it now for her sakes.

You say she doesn't want to go into a nursing home, but she will if you die in your sleep tonight.
So factor that reality into you choices today, do the right thing by her. Set her up in a home and then you can expire at will or otherwise.

Put her first for once Gene.

He says this stuff as an idle threat to get people to give him money. Sort of like 'guess I have no choice but to die/go in a nursing home now ... unless you give me money.'

The fact that he even mentions a nursing home as an option shows he doesn't know exactly how it works. First off, there's a difference between nursing home, assisted living, and retirement homes. Medicare isn't going to pay for Gene to go live in an assisted living or retirement home just because he refuses to earn income - which is the way he words his options. And he doesn't even qualify for assisted living.

Medicare will pay for around 100 days of an actual nursing home, where people physically cannot get around. Depending on other plans and health, those things can change, but I can say it's not what he thinks it is, or mentions in jest.

There's a reason why when he calls around for assistance, things like children and people with disabilities are high on the list - it's because they LITERALLY cannot do anything for themselves. Gene can walk. He can drive. He can talk. Is he up there in age? Sure. So are a lot of people. He should consider himself fortunate that he has enough knowledge of computers to actually use one fairly efficiently, there's a TON of people his age who couldn't even turn one on.

I mean, really, if he goes and gets a position as a Wal-Mart greeter for 6 hours a day, and cut back on his expenses, he would probably be fine. Plus that kind of paycheck wouldn't get garnished, which it sounds like one of the main reasons he refuses to work.

He honestly doesn't understand how fortunate it is to even have something that's basically a hobby to provide him income. I mean, I wish I had an outlet to just sit on my ass and do no research and blab on for a couple hours a week to get any sort of paycheck. Lots of people do that just for fun, and don't get paid at all!

I've never seen someone so entitled who does so little for the paycheck he gets that he can at least get in the ballpark of survival with, to then expect others to fill the gaps for him.

 

[Wade]

Well mentioned, I'm in a assisted living arrangement , I had a stroke that knockered the bejesus out of me, my meals and accommodations are set up and paid for (out of my SS check) but I clean up by myself, do my own laundry, and arrange my pt/ot therapy trips and transportation and I'm quite pleased with the set up.

 

[UAPwatchdog]

Don't worry, looks like Gene is alright. No update today, but with his life on the line and well being under massive threat, he was able to pop in his forums to post scans of a homemade magazine he did in 1971 with his ex-wife, where you can ask him any questions, and his ex-wife may be available for questions!

Gene Steinberg's Caveat Emptor

I'm glad to see priorities are straight here. No word on what happened with being hundreds short on car registration, paying movers, paying storage, paying the hotel, and finding a permanent place to live. But hey, if you wanted some info on a fringe typewritten magazine from 47 years ago that he created, he's got you covered!

 

[Black Angus]

Hmmm, the graphic you posted of the PMs is not loading for me, so I cannot see that, but otherwise... all very sobering stuff. I wish his cheerleaders on Facebook were aware of all this. If they know all this and still choose to enable him, well, so be it, but I imagine most are uninformed.

I'll copy the text direct.

You told me you are very rich, so this shouldn’t be much of a deal. The $200,000 I gave Stephen through 2004 is, today, worth $267,524.69. If you send me that amount, I’ll be able to supplement my income and have a life for a number of years for myself and Barbara. We won’t have to ask for donations, and I’ll have the resources to deal with the stalkers who are left.

How about it?

Then I can go to the nursing home when I’m good and ready

.

 

[Black Angus]

Medicare will pay for around 100 days of an actual nursing home, where people physically cannot get around. Depending on other plans and health, those things can change, but I can say it's not what he thinks it is, or mentions in jest.

Yes, but my understanding is medicaid will pay for one.

Top 50 Nursing Homes That Accept Medicaid In Arizona

He knows that at his age he qualify s for this, so im flabbergasted that his death wish thoughts would prefer he saw his wife Too ill to look after herself, wake up in a motel, with no money to pay for any extra stay, rather than a nursing home, where someone will help her in the event he dies in his sleep.

 

[Black Angus]

I've never seen someone so entitled who does so little for the paycheck he gets that he can at least get in the ballpark of survival with

Exactly, he has two SS pension checks. The income from ads is by his own admission equal to his SS check.

So thats 3 SS checks worth, plus uber, plus donations.

He's better off then someone on a single SS check

He complains that the haters are drying up his ad revenue, but what about the property investors many retirees themselves who rely on rental revenue to put food on their table ?

He doesn't seem to care hes stolen their income time and time again.

 

[UAPwatchdog]

Yes, but my understanding is medicaid will pay for one.

Top 50 Nursing Homes That Accept Medicaid In Arizona

He knows that at his age he qualify s for this, so im flabbergasted that his death wish thoughts would prefer he saw his wife Too ill to look after herself, wake up in a motel, with no money to pay for any extra stay, rather than a nursing home, where someone will help her in the event he dies in his sleep.

Medicaid has nothing to do with age, like Medicare. I don't know if he said previously he was on Medicaid, but Medicaid is for people in poverty. You have to make up to 133% of the poverty line and prove income with CMS to be eligible. Medicare is for anyone age 65 or above. It's possible to be on both (dual eligibility), but I've never heard him mention this.

And speaking of mention, its odd how he goes from emergency mode to saying nothing, except on his forum about nonsensical topics. Once his deadline passes and he "miraculously" find a way to pay, he doesn't say anything, thank anyone who helped him, or anything. He ignores it, and moves on to the next thing to say he needs money for (insurance, registration, server costs, dental work, etc.) It's amazing he does this song and dance over and over again.

 

[Black Angus]

Medicaid has nothing to do with age, like Medicare. I don't know if he said previously he was on Medicaid, but Medicaid is for people in poverty. You have to make up to 133% of the poverty line and prove income with CMS to be eligible. Medicare is for anyone age 65 or above. It's possible to be on both (dual eligibility), but I've never heard him mention this.

I dont know too much about the US system, Medicaid - Wikipedia

But i imagine that if he has no money to pay for a retirement home and is old enough to qualify for it then medicaid would cover it, as you say medicare is only good for 100 days.

Down under the govt will pay for your nursing home room when you are old enough to need one.
Obviously private nursing homes offer a much better standard of living, but they will drain you of every last cent before you die.

Whats the story in the US, when you are too old/sick to work and have no money to pay for a private nursing home.
Does the USG fund you a bed, or do you just wind up homeless ?

 

[goblin]

I'll copy the text direct.



.

Thank you. Wow! That is straight up nuts. He must realize that.

First, for what it's worth, the idea that Gene ever, under any circumstances, *gave* anyone $200,000 is impossible for me to believe. (And then of course as other comments here point out, Gene's involvement with Numis Gems hardly seem to be as casual and inconsequential as he has claimed.)

Next, asking someone for $267,000+ (kind of concerning for his mental health that he knows how much $200K is in "today's dollars") would be breathtaking if he were perfectly serious. Since he follows up with the nursing home comment, I'm not perfectly sure that he was... though undoubtedly he would accept that money were it offered to him.

Sad that Gene seems to see having that money as some prerequisite to "having a life" for himself and his wife. I mean, they have their lives now, can they truly not find a way to stabilize and enjoy them on their limited income? It's give us money money money (ideally $267K in a lump sum) or nothing?

Finally, it blows the mind he is that preoccupied with these "stalkers" who so far as I can see are largely just people who have shared true and honest accounts of the shit he's pulled, and mocked his hyperbolic and manipulative emails. Yes there have been a couple mean pranks but for the most part it's just people sharing and commenting on his bullshit - very reactive stuff, which to me is completely understandable given Gene's ways, which are curious to say the least. But he looks to be nursing a grudge-cum-vendetta at this point. Not wise, but then, neither is my paying attention to Gene and his follies.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

You told me you are very rich, so this shouldn’t be much of a deal. (Rich people don't stay that way being stupid.) The $200,000 I gave Stephen (Oh bullshit.) through 2004 is, today, worth $267,524.69. (How about that brass?) If you send me that amount, I’ll be able to supplement my income and have a life for a number of years for myself and Barbara. We won’t have to ask for donations, (but there is no way I'll stop begging until I'm dead) and I’ll have the resources to complain very loudly about my critics.

There, I fixed it. Really, that is some seriously fucked up shit right there. The guy's just batshit crazy.

 

[Black Angus]

Yeah, think he must have some mental health issue for sure.

The death wish IE : Go to sleep hoping i don't wake up one is classic.

Die and leave your wife in a hotel with no money to pay for more than a few days.

Vs

Die and leave her in a nursing home.

You either die and leave her with a roof over her head, or die and leave her homeless.

Seems he would rather leave her homeless.

 

[UAPwatchdog]

You told me you are very rich, so this shouldn’t be much of a deal. (Rich people don't stay that way being stupid.) The $200,000 I gave Stephen (Oh bullshit.) through 2004 is, today, worth $267,524.69. (How about that brass?) If you send me that amount, I’ll be able to supplement my income and have a life for a number of years for myself and Barbara. We won’t have to ask for donations, (but there is no way I'll stop begging until I'm dead) and I’ll have the resources to complain very loudly about my critics.

There, I fixed it. Really, that is some seriously fucked up shit right there. The guy's just batshit crazy.

It reads just like his circa 90s Usenet posts. Like a petulant child who thinks he's entitled to others paying for his mistakes.

He's basically saying, "well I *should* have this money but since I don't then I'm just going to beg until any person possible will give it to me to pay for the life I *should* have."

You know, ignoring the fact at every turn that he's the one who put himself in this position, giving away money to someone else or not, it's his own doing.