UFOs: skeptics, disclosure, and contact

nivek

As Above So Below

'I thought it was new Russian tech... but then I realized it was a UFO': Ukrainian soldier in Donetsk tells DailyMail.com the craft was 'bigger than the Empire State Building'

Ukrainian troops have recorded what they describe as a 'very hot' infrared track of a massive, over 1300-ft-long UFO over the nation's battle-scarred southeastern province of Donetsk. One soldier, a drone operator with the Ukrainian army's 406th Battalion, told DailyMail.com that - despite his roughly 10,000 operational missions flying these thermal-imaging drones over their warzone - he and his fellow unit members had 'never seen things like this before'

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Todd Feinman

Show us the satellite pics...
Well, just gonna wait it out with the UFOs. Lots of people being loud about it and the skeptics keep at the endless stream of blurry videos.. And so it goes. Pretty bizarre. It's a strange feeling to see these folks so invested and passionate about something they probably haven't experienced for themselves. Everyone has a blog or group or show or business around it.. :rolleyes:
I generally don't talk with people about it anymore. It makes things a lot easier.
 

J Randall Murphy

Trying To Stay Awake
Okay — I don't know how to explain this, but I did several searches for the word "skeptic" in thread titles before starting the Skeptic's Corner thread, and now suddenly two of them magically appear ! Maybe move the new skeptic's stuff here?
 

Todd Feinman

Show us the satellite pics...
It's ironic. When I was younger I used to hike quite a bit, and went on a series of Outward Bound courses. I spent a lot of time staring up at the night sky and I never saw anything unusual, just satellites and stars. I've always had an interest in science and cosmology--still do, and thought I would go into some aspect of biology for a career. After a brief stint in architecture school, I finally got to study art, my true love, but had to pay bills, so became a librarian. I've always spent time hanging out in academic libraries, and even volunteered at the U of O Knight library when I was in high school. Many of my friends ended up in math or science careers, and some of their dads were math professors. I never expected to see UFOs. In the very last places I would expect to encounter them, in circumstances that have really weighed on me over the years.... The synchronicities and circumstances involved, being isolated by the phenomenon. I think it is basically PTSD, not from a moral injury, but don't hate me for saying it, an "Ontological Injury" --which is injurious in a different way.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Okay — I don't know how to explain this, but I did several searches for the word "skeptic" in thread titles before starting the Skeptic's Corner thread, and now suddenly two of them magically appear ! Maybe move the new skeptic's stuff here?
the search engine is imperfect I've has similar trouble. actually, I like the skeptics corner as it isn't purely ufo related
 

nivek

As Above So Below

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLW0zZrXstI

Norwegian Researchers Search Frozen Lake for UFO Spotted 77 Years Ago

Researchers in Norway are searching a frozen lake for an apocryphal UFO that was said to have plunged into the water 77 years ago. According to a local media report, the legendary sighting occurred in the village of Roros back in 1947 when the town's mayor reported seeing an unidentified object plummet from the sky into Lake Djupsjoen. "It looked like a rocket and it made a lot of noise," photographer Rue Rostad recalled of the puzzling incident, "it turned 180 degrees and landed in the lake." In the ensuing decades, attempts to locate the mysterious object have proven futile, however a new effort is currently underway after a sonar search of the site detected a rather intriguing anomaly.

Rostad, who is spearheading the endeavor, indicated that the oddity measures a whopping 46 feet long and around 10 feet wide. Although the sonar return, which can be seen in the video above, is undoubtedly tantalizing, divers deployed at the site have yet to locate the peculiar object. Be that as it may, Norwegian ufologist Arnulf Loken marveled that "it's really exciting. It is one of the largest UFO search operations in Norway's history." Time will tell whether or not the effort is successful, though the researcher offered something of a measured response to what the mysterious anomaly might be, musing that "I think it's something known, not something unknown from space. Something earthly, but who knows."


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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
UAP Incident Over the Gulf of Mexico Revealed by U.S. Congressman Confirmed in Newly Declassified Files and Images - The Debrief


(Credit: USAF)

UAP INCIDENT OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO REVEALED BY U.S. CONGRESSMAN CONFIRMED IN NEWLY DECLASSIFIED FILES AND IMAGES​

MICAH HANKS·MARCH 7, 2024
New details involving a military pilot UAP incident over the Gulf of Mexico revealed by a U.S. Representative last summer have come to light, following the release of documents in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request.
The incident, first described by Congressman Matt Gaetz (R-FL) last year during a widely viewed Congressional hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena, reportedly occurred on January 26, 2023, during a test mission operated out of Eglin Air Force Base, Florida.
Now, additional confirmation of the incident has been obtained by Abbas Michael Dharamsey through documents he obtained through a FOIA request, copies of which were subsequently made available by researcher John Greenewald at his website, The Black Vault.
Although most of the information in the documents is redacted, a declassified summary of the incident is provided, along with a sketch depicting the appearance of one of the UAPs the pilot encountered.
UAP-1
Sketch of “UAP-1” as described by the unnamed USAF pilot during the 2023 UAP incident over the Gulf of Mexico (Credit: USAF via FOIA/A.M. Dharamsey/The Black Vault).
According to the declassified summary, the United States Air Force pilot successfully obtained a radar lock on four unidentified objects and subsequently obtained a screen capture of one of the UAPs, the only one with which visual contact was made.
The declassified summary, as well as the sketch provided to Dharamsey in the FOIA release, both depict an object resembling a NASA Apollo-era space capsule, which possessed a rounded, reddish orange illuminated bottom portion, while the upper section was described as “a three-dimensional cone shape” which featured what resembled “gunmetal gray segmented panels.”
The object, referred to as “UAP-1” in the summary, was observed operating at an altitude of around 16,000 feet, while two of the other objects detected solely on radar were observed at 17,000 and 18,000 feet above ground level. The fourth object was reportedly lost from radar, making any estimates of its altitude impossible for the pilot to obtain.
Although the above data on altitude was obtained, the summary states that no airspeeds were noted for the unidentified objects, although they did not outpace the pilot, who was able to close to within 4,000 feet of UAP-1, at which time the aircraft’s radar began to malfunction and remained disabled.
“Post-mission investigation revealed that a circuit breaker had triggered,” the brief declassified summary concludes, “but that maintenance technicians were unable to conclusively diagnose the fault.”
Sometime after the events described in the summary, Gaetz was reportedly shown the image obtained by the pilot during a visit to Eglin Air Force Base.
“Several months ago, my office received a protected disclosure from Eglin Air Force Base indicating there was a UAP incident that required my attention,” Gaetz later wrote in a post on X. Gaetz said that after learning of the incident, he requested a briefing on the situation and traveled to Eglin, accompanied during the visit by Reps. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL).
Matt Gaetz
Rep. Matt Gaetz speaks during last July’s UAP hearing (Credit: Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs).
“We were initially denied access to images, radar, and conversation with all members of the flight crew,” Gaetz said. However, Gaetz was eventually allowed to review the photograph obtained by the pilot involved in the UAP encounter.
Gaetz said that he was the only one who was shown the UAP image at the time and that he had an opportunity to speak with the pilot, who told him the objects were observed on radar “flying in a diamond formation.”
“The image was of a UAP that I am not able to attach to any human capability, from the United States or from any of our adversaries,” Gaetz said of the image he was shown.
Describing the incident during a hearing held by the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs last July, Gaetz also said he had observed a radar sequence obtained by personnel at Eglin during the incident that further corroborated the sighting.
Despite the object’s superficial resemblance to an “Apollo spacecraft,” the description of the incident provided in the newly released FOIA documents appears to describe four objects flying in formation, three of which were detected on radar and maintained altitudes close to 16,000, 17,000, and 18,000 feet respectively, and for a duration long enough that imagery of the nearest object, UAP-1, was obtained. Such circumstances would appear to rule out any conventional object resembling a known spacecraft during reentry, for which details would likely have been easily accessible.
In a posting on X, writer Mick West surmised that “it’s impossible to rule out that it was just a balloon (or four balloons).”
“It might also be an alien spaceship, but I’d put “balloon” at #1 with the current data,” West added.
Apart from balloons, reentry capsules, or alien spacecraft, another object that the pilot’s sketches of “UAP-1” bears a passing resemblance to was described by three witnesses decades ago during a harrowing encounter near Dayton, Texas in 1980.
On the evening of December 29 of that year, 51-year-old Betty Cash was driving home from dinner with her friend Vickie Landrum, 57, and Landrum’s seven-year-old grandson Colby when they observed a bright light in the distance. As the trio approached the stretch of the roadway where the light appeared to be hovering, what they initially mistook for a plane on approach for landing in Houston was revealed to be something else entirely.
A description of the object later offered by UFO chronicler Jerome Clark based on accounts provided by the witnesses described it as “intensely bright and a dull metallic silver … shaped like a huge upright diamond, about the size of the Dayton water tower,” with flames being emitted from the bottom of the object “flaring outward to create the effect of a large cone.”

Clark’s description certainly seems to bear some similarity to the “UAP-1” object recounted by the USAF pilot from the January 2023 incident. In particular, similarities arise from the “gun metal” and “gray” appearance of UAP-1 compared with the “intensely bright and dull metallic silver” description of the Cash-Landrum object.
UAP
Comparison between “UAP-1” sketched by USAF pilot during the January 2023 encounter over the Gulf of Mexico (left) and artist’s rendering of the object observed by Cash and Landrum during their December 1980 observation near Daton, Texas (right). (Credit: USAF via FOIA/The Black Vault/Kathy Schuessler/CC 4.0)
Additionally, the appearance of “blurry air” with “no smoke” observed near the base of UAP-1 during the 2023 incident, below an area where “orange reddish” light or coloration was noted by the observing pilot, does sound reminiscent of the apparent propulsion mechanism Cash and Landrum described seeing as the object they encountered bobbed up and down above the highway ahead of them.
Following their sighting, Cash and the Landrums all began to complain of health issues, the worst of which had been suffered by Cash, who had stepped outside her new Oldsmobile Cutlass for several minutes to observe the object until, according to the witnesses, it was accompanied by a small fleet of Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopters that surrounded the object to “escort” it away from the scene.
Cash and Landrum later sued the U.S. federal government for $22 million with the aid of attorney Peter Gersten. However, after several years the case was dismissed because the witnesses were unable to provide any conclusive evidence that the U.S. military possessed such an aircraft or technology, nor could the 23 helicopters the witnesses observed be associated with any confirmed military activities on the night in question.
Along with the sketch of “UAP-1” released in response to Dharamsey’s FOIA request, a cover letter dated March 4, 2024, also describes a video of the object, which was denied as part of the documentation supplied.
“The responsive video you are requesting is not releasable to you in accordance with 5 U.S.C. 552 Exemption (b)(1),” a portion of the document states, citing its exemption from disclosure due to containing information about “matters specifically authorized under criteria established by an Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy” and deemed “properly classified pursuant to such Executive order.”
Dharamsey told Greenewald that he plans to appeal the request in an attempt to obtain the video associated with the January 23, 2023 incident.
Additional information about Dharamsey’s FOIA request, along with the complete series of documents he was provided, have been archived at The Black Vault and can be viewed here.

Micah Hanks is the Editor-in-Chief and Co-Founder of The Debrief. He can be reached by email at micah@thedebrief.org. Follow his work at micahhanks.com and on X: @MicahHanks.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
If Elizondo and Grusch are so upset about the report why don't they provide a bit of evidence for all the tripe they have been feeding the public since they came out of the woodwork?...At this point I don't believe a word Grusch has to say and Elizondo is rapidly getting to that point with me too...He has been going on since 2019 with nothing to show for it...

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Todd Feinman

Show us the satellite pics...
I hear ya. I am withholding ultimate judgement on them; I still don't know what to make of the situation. They are promising big things for 2024.
 
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