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Putin's alleged war crimes: What is ICC investigating?

The International Criminal Court has opened an investigation into alleged war crimes after Russian President Vladimir Putin approved a "special military operation" in Ukraine Feb. 24.

ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan said there is a "reasonable basis" to believe that both alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed in Ukraine. "The next step is to proceed with the process of seeking and obtaining authorization from the pre-trial chamber of the court to open an investigation," Khan said.

Dustin Lewis, research director at the Harvard Law School Program on International Law and Armed Conflict, told Fox News Digital the ICC will now investigate the allegations.

"With respect to the situation in Ukraine, the ICC prosecutor may investigate allegations of war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime of genocide," Lewis said. "The ICC is empowered to exercise jurisdiction only over natural persons. In other words, it may institute proceedings only against individual humans. The ICC has no jurisdiction over the entities with which those humans may be affiliated, such as a government or a military."

He said evidence of the war crimes can be submitted by any person, government or nongovernmental organization. Any person or entity, including a government or an NGO, may submit evidence to the ICC prosecutor. It is the responsibility of the prosecutor to ascertain the reliability and probative value of the evidence obtained by the office.

Oksana Markarova, Ukraine's ambassador to the U.S., told reporters Monday that Russia used a vacuum bomb, a violation of international law.

"They used the vacuum bomb today," Markarova said. "The devastation that Russia is trying to inflict on Ukraine is large."

The bomb is considered a thermobaric weapon that absorbs oxygen out of a given area, which then causes a blast which is capable of vaporizing humans. Russian forces continue bombarding Ukraine's two largest cities, Kharkiv and Kyiv.

While Lewis says it's impossible to predict the amount of time that an ICC investigation could take, past investigations could indicate that it may be years before the investigation into the situation in Ukraine is complete.

"It is not possible to predict with a strong degree of accuracy, in part because an investigation may result in a series of separate proceedings, each against a different person. But if previous ICC investigations are a guide, an investigation concerning the situation in Ukraine might take many years," Lewis explained.

While neither Russia nor Ukraine are state party members of the ICC, the court operates on the basis that it can prosecute individuals who are found to be responsible for a crime under the court's jurisdiction, regardless if that person is a citizen to a state party of the court.

"The ICC may exercise jurisdiction only over individual humans; it has no jurisdiction over states such as Ukraine and Russia," Lewis said. "The ICC operates on the basis that it may prosecute anyone who is responsible for committing a crime falling within the jurisdiction of the court, irrespective of whether the person is a national of a state party to the court. Under that approach, the ICC may institute proceedings against a Russian or a Ukrainian national for a crime falling within the court’s jurisdiction allegedly committed on the territory of Ukraine during the current armed conflict."

However, Lewis says that the accused individual must be in the court's custody in order to be prosecuted in a trial.

"The ICC is not permitted to conduct trials in absentia; in other words, the accused — whether a national of Russia or any other country — must be in the court’s custody to be prosecuted at trial. If a person is convicted through such a trial of one of the crimes under the ICC’s statute, the court may impose imprisonment on that person. In addition to imprisonment, the ICC may order a fine and a forfeiture of proceedings, property and assets derived from that crime, Lewis said.

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nivek

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Russia bombs civilians fleeing Mariupol during 'ceasefire': Mayor orders people to turn back after Putin's forces break their promise to let thousands of families escape - as Zelensky tells Ukrainians to 'continue fighting!'



Ukraine has dramatically cancelled a planned evacuation of more than 200,000 civilians from Mariupol after it accused Russian forces of derailing a promised ceasefire by shelling the strategic port city as Vladimir Putin's terrifying war enters its 10th day. Mariupol's city council said the evacuation west to Zaporizhzhia has been postponed due to 'the fact that the Russian side does not adhere to the regime of silence and continued shelling of both Mariupol itself' and the surrounding area. Local authorities have asked people to disperse and find places of shelter, adding that talks are underway to establish a ceasefire and ensure the humanitarian corridor originally agreed for five hours between 12pm and 5pm Moscow time. In a defiant address on Saturday morning, Volodymyr Zelensky urged Ukrainians to continue fighting Putin's forces. Ukraine's comic-turned-wartime president then thundered 'what more is needed' to convince Joe Biden to enforce a no-fly zone, an action which could widen the war, after he accused the West of cowardice in the face of Russian aggression.

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
We chopped up Highway 80 between Kuwait City and Basra but good back in 1991. Despite it being a military convoy there was still enough sheer violence and destruction to give pause. I imagine there are many Iraqis who would consider that a war crime, among other things.

We were also in the habit of blowing the crap out of people in Afghanistan and Pakistan with drone strikes for at least 15 years. There are many who consider those war crimes.

War is war.

War, I despise
'Cause it means destruction of innocent lives
War means tears to thousands of mother's eyes
When their sons go off to fight
And lose their lives


I'm not sure how we can wag righteous fingers at anyone without the stink of hypocrisy. Not apologizing or making excuses for our behavior or the Russians, just pointing out that the shoe is now on the other foot.
 
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nivek

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Russian or Soviet scare tactics are nothing new here, you should look up the term "finlandization". I kinda doubt we were ever truly neutral, it was more trying to appease to one or both directions. We are in the middle of west and east here, both sides have their allies and spheres of influence. We tried to hold out as long as we could, but maybe we ultimately have to choose a side here, before having the decision be made for us by a hostile invading nation. Ukraine hesitated, and the decision was made for them by Putin.

Our people have a long history of not wanting to upset, and at the same time on a citizen level bearing fear and resentment towards our former foes and invaders(you will not see this on the political or diplomat level, they know only to kiss ass as always). Even when our trade and diplomatic relations with them has been good, there was always the lingering fear of the eastern bear awakening again and coming across the border. This has changed now, a wake up call. There are no guarantees anymore.

Concerning NATO membership. Not my decision ultimately, maybe not even my people's, but our parlament's. There is a chance that NATO decision will be made outside of whatever the popular vote will be. What guarantees of peace do we have, either way? Are we between Scylla and Charybdis here?

If Finland joins NATO I think it would be akin to painting a huge target encompassing the country in Russia's eyes...As @AD1184 mentioned, Finland may be safer by staying neutral...

I think NATO should have been disbanded or reorganized into another form after the fall of the Soviet empire, after all the Soviet Union was the main reason for NATO...

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nivek

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I think NATO should have been disbanded or reorganized into another form after the fall of the Soviet empire, after all the Soviet Union was the main reason for NATO...

I might add, if NATO had disbanded it would have shown the world those member countries truly wanted peace...

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Rick Hunter

Celestial
Looking at the images of Ukraine, all I can think is fight or die. I am not a flag waving hyper patriot by any means, but if a foreign power was doing that to Kentucky then I would feel like I had no choice but to fight. This is my home, where my family has been for over 200 years, where my life happens. I am sure the people of Ukraine feel the same way.
 

AD1184

Celestial
We chopped up Highway 80 between Kuwait City and Basra but good back in 1991. Despite it being a military convoy there was still enough sheer violence and destruction to give pause. I imagine there are many Iraqis who would consider that a war crime, among other things.

We were also in the habit of blowing the crap out of people in Afghanistan and Pakistan with drone strikes for at least 15 years. There are many who consider those war crimes.

War is war.

War, I despise
'Cause it means destruction of innocent lives
War means tears to thousands of mother's eyes
When their sons go off to fight
And lose their lives


I'm not sure how we can wag righteous fingers at anyone without the stink of hypocrisy. Not apologizing or making excuses for our behavior or the Russians, just pointing out that the shoe is now on the other foot.
It is less about what is being done than it is about who is doing it, and to whom.
 

Dejan Corovic

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Russia bombs civilians fleeing Mariupol during 'ceasefire': Mayor orders people to turn back after Putin's forces break their promise to let thousands of families escape - as Zelensky tells Ukrainians to 'continue fighting!'



Ukraine has dramatically cancelled a planned evacuation of more than 200,000 civilians from Mariupol after it accused Russian forces of derailing a promised ceasefire by shelling the strategic port city as Vladimir Putin's terrifying war enters its 10th day. Mariupol's city council said the evacuation west to Zaporizhzhia has been postponed due to 'the fact that the Russian side does not adhere to the regime of silence and continued shelling of both Mariupol itself' and the surrounding area. Local authorities have asked people to disperse and find places of shelter, adding that talks are underway to establish a ceasefire and ensure the humanitarian corridor originally agreed for five hours between 12pm and 5pm Moscow time. In a defiant address on Saturday morning, Volodymyr Zelensky urged Ukrainians to continue fighting Putin's forces. Ukraine's comic-turned-wartime president then thundered 'what more is needed' to convince Joe Biden to enforce a no-fly zone, an action which could widen the war, after he accused the West of cowardice in the face of Russian aggression.

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Yeah, Russians have zero reason to bomb civilians leaving cities. Its actually in their interest for civilians to leave.

If civilians leave a besieged city then attackers can use heavier weapons and attacker can defeat defenders with having less of his own casualties. Opposite to that, it is in the interest of defenders to keep civilians in the city, to prevent the other side from using heavier weapons. As well, civilians can be used as a labour force by defenders, building bunkers, trenches, attending to wounded etc. For example in Syria mujaheddin defending various cities did just that, used civilians as hostages for exactly that reason.

In short if all civilians left Mariupol then Russians can use thermometric bombs to defeat Ukrainian forces very quickly.

Anyways, here is an excellent geopolitical overview of the situation leading to Ukrainian war. 10 million views.

 
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nivek

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The West cannot rightfully expect nor demand the rest of the world's countries to govern themselves as a democracy...NATO must be ready to make concessions and agreements with other militaries or militaristic organizations in the interest of peace in the world...Nothing is worth starting a nuclear war over, NOTHING...That being said, the Ukraine is not worth going nuclear over, the reckless demands of Volodymyr Zelensky to get the US and NATO more involved in this war must stop...Let the U.N. act as mediators and bring both sides to the table, nothing is going to be decided overnight but I think the West needs to tone it down a little and let other parties help sort this out...I know many will say we will look weak, but this isn't out of fear of Russia or Putin, this is using some sense and logic...The decisions over the next few weeks can have many different outcomes, depending on those decisions and actions that follow...Decisions that could bring nuclear war to our planet must never happen and avoided without question...

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Rick Hunter

Celestial
I am not against providing aid to Ukraine, but the actual fighting needs to be done by Ukraine. Win or lose, they should be the ones to do it. We don't need another nation to maintain in uneasy stalemate with its aggressive neighbor for decades, as in South Korea or what Vietnam could have turned into. Hell, we gave Afghanistan 20 years to get their shit together and they never did.
 

Dejan Corovic

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The West cannot rightfully expect nor demand the rest of the world's countries to govern themselves as a democracy...NATO must be ready to make concessions and agreements with other militaries or militaristic organizations in the interest of peace in the world...Nothing is worth starting a nuclear war over, NOTHING...That being said, the Ukraine is not worth going nuclear over, the reckless demands of Volodymyr Zelensky to get the US and NATO more involved in this war must stop...Let the U.N. act as mediators and bring both sides to the table, nothing is going to be decided overnight but I think the West needs to tone it down a little and let other parties help sort this out...I know many will say we will look weak, but this isn't out of fear of Russia or Putin, this is using some sense and logic...The decisions over the next few weeks can have many different outcomes, depending on those decisions and actions that follow...Decisions that could bring nuclear war to our planet must never happen and avoided without question...
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The best way to spread democracy is through peaceful means, like economic integration.

Even now, 10 days into the conflict, US will not stop buying Russian oil. And during COVID crisis US held back on sanctions against China because so many products that are vital for US are produced in China. Not to mention how much China is dependant on US, US being it's most important customer. More the world is economically integrated more likely it becomes that one country will hurt itself by attacking other country.

That's why globalisation is good thing. Populism, weather it is Trump's or Putin's, leads us to nuclear war and back into the stone age.

Two best examples in the world are Germany and Japan. Both were military superpowers, that lost a war and turned peaceful. By saving money on military expenditure their economies grew faster and both countries quietly spread their products all over the world. Look around your home and count number of German and Japanese products vs number of Russian products (huge military spending) that you have. It will immediately become obvious that military spending just makes one more paranoid, while living in poverty. North Korea is even worst example than Russia.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Can't help but wonder if there was anyone in 2014 warning that this could happen. Specifically, did the Ukrainian military have any preparation for this? Other than the past few months, I mean.

Just wondering because if you need a fire extinguisher it's best to have one ahead of time rather than screaming your head off at your neighbor to run and get one when the barn's on fire.
 

nivek

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Even now, 10 days into the conflict, US will not stop buying Russian oil.

The US has the capability to be energy independent, we were before Biden shut down oil production in many areas of the country and opted for buying foreign in its stead...I do not understand that logic unless he wants to use up everyone's oil first and save ours for last when everyone else runs dry lol...

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wwkirk

Divine
The US has the capability to be energy independent, we were before Biden shut down oil production in many areas of the country and opted for buying foreign in its stead...I do not understand that logic unless he wants to use up everyone's oil first and save ours for last when everyone else runs dry lol...

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As dumb as it sounds, Biden may be refusing to alter policy because he doesn't want to admit he was wrong for increasing dependency in the first place.
 

nivek

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Cut down as they run for their lives: Heartbreaking scenes as Putin rains bombs on Irpin's 'green corridor', killing civilians as they flee while ceasefire to protect 400,000 evacuating Mariupol is shattered within minutes by heavy shelling



Heartbreaking footage, taken in Irpin, located on the outskirts of the besieged capital city, confirmed that Russian forces are attacking heavily populated civilian areas where men, women and children are leaving the country as the Russian tyrant continues denying bombing Ukrainian cities. As residents continue to evacuate across cities in Ukraine, heartbreaking footage shows that civilians are being attacked with heavy gunfire and missiles in Irpin, 20 kilometres north-west of Kyiv . But an increasingly delusional Putin is insisting that Russia is not bombing Ukrainian cities, despite mounting fears that 100 people are buried under rubble after an apartment block near Kyiv was struck and after a cluster bomb attack on the city of Chernihiv killed 49 earlier this week.

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nivek

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Putin's MANGLED war machine: 108 tanks, 224 troop carriers, 17 mobile rocket launchers, 10 helicopters and 10 aircraft... the devastating list of military vehicles Zelensky's forces claim to have taken out



108 tanks, 224 troop carriers, 17 mobile rocket launchers, 10 helicopters and 10 aircraft are among the military equipment Zelensky's forces claim to have removed from battle in Ukraine so far. Russian troops have had to enlist civilian vehicles to plug the holes in their arsenal made by Zelensky's army. At least 108 tanks have been taken out of Putin's invasion force with 50 now in the hands of Ukrainian soldiers

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