Alien Reproduction Vehicle

Discussion in 'Alternative Technologies & Energetics' started by Gambeir, Jan 14, 2018.

  1. Gambeir

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    Oh sorry I've been neglecting my own thread. Lol~
    I quite agree with you. It's likely there's more than one way to go about this and the big issue is sorting out the most likely and plausible theories and methods of propulsion and then seeing if it all fits together and seem rational.
     
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  2. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Thanks for the links you two; I’m really looking forward to checking them out.

    Thank you for your research efforts, spacecase0; it’s the experimentalists like yourself who move humanity into a brighter future.

    Here’s my unsolicited advice: perform that gravitator experiment by refining your dielectric process and calculating the breakdown voltage, then power it up to maybe 90% of that value so it doesn’t arc (and if possible, try it in a vacuum chamber - barring that you could put some fine filaments near it to detect any ion wind effects, those need to be ruled out as a force mechanism). It sounds like you’re all set up to do that, and honestly we need a definitive experiment to determine if that patent actually works. If it does work, that’s huge. A demonstrable and repeatable test of such an effect would literally change the world.

    If it doesn’t pan out then I’d say move on to the Wilbur Smith projects.

    Thank you Gambeir. much obliged! Hey why don’t you post a signature line on your profile at Energetic Forums, directing researchers to this thread? It’s crazy that it’s so hard to sign up over there.

    Honestly I’m convinced that research scientists at Lockheed and other defense contractors have made huge strides with this kind of thing. I doubt they’d risk sharing that data with us plebes in the public sector because they’re watched like hawks by the military security apparatus, but maybe some maverick will drop a dime someday using some kind of proxy software; you never know.

    [And by the way, if you run across any posts under my name that sound like some churlish infant stirring up trouble and/or just talking nonsense, please ignore them - some online troll who has no life is going around impersonating me. Thank you for your understanding.]
     
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  3. spacecase0

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    the ion wind issue is pretty easy to solve, or at least so I think it is,
    just reverse the polarity and one direction it will move slightly less, that direction is where the ion wind is the opposite direction than the main effect.
    I do have a vacuum chamber, harder to set up tests in there, but I have done it.
    and after testing for a bit, it is very clear that ion wind is not what is going on here.
    and these people back me on the ion wind not being an issue lifters.online.fr/lifters/arl_fac/0211001.pdf
    only they bother to prove it with math.
    so I was long ago convinced that the patent actually works.
    so I know this is possible to do.
    it is just a matter of finding the correct dielectric,
    and after reading about the expanded crystal thing, it seems to be the perfect dielectric,
    sadly I just don't have the hardware to get it to work right now (I have tried) and the correct hardware is out of my price range, and potentially it is way out of my price range
    if this website is correct, Saucer Propulsion
    "would only cost about a billion apiece"
    even if the cost was 1/10 because it is not a secret project, and we ignore inflation, I still could not build a full ship even if I knew precisely how.

    now I did quit all research on this topic for a few years,
    someone else had gotten a good version of this working with an entirely other method, enough so that they could replace an engine in a model airplane, spacewarp and all the math showed them that it was quite easy to make full sized craft fly without to much work.
    I do think they have flawed physics showing why what they built works, but that does not matter.
    other than updating the website (so that I can't read it all all anymore)
    they have not said anything at all in years, so I guess we are not going to get anything good from them at this point.
    so I started research again.

    edit, this website changed my explicitly typed in link names to the titles of the pages, so sorry if the grammar seems bad where they happen
     
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  4. Gambeir

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    Thanks for the idea Thomas R. Morrison. Will think about that. I did leave a final message in my last post giving directions where to find me here on Alien Expanse.

    There's no ionic wind issues here, not in a conventional sense anyways, the primary drive system is something else. It's either a T. T. Brown type gravitator, or it's a vacuum polarization process; a crystalline piezo~electric capacitor. There could be a number of possible drive systems which can be imagined from what I understand.

    Right now there appears to be two potentials and both of which may have existed at one time or another considering continual research and development. This machine is a very old machine. Undoubtedly it has it origins in R&D (research and development) in Nazi Germany based on the available clues. The US Military dove in to so~called anti~gravity immediately post WWII and so it's clear that by no later than 1960 the US had succeeded in creating some form of antigravitational vehicle. There is no doubt about that at all in my mind.

    Two of the most convincing photographic proofs are the Rex Heflin 1965 photo's and then a later photo taken over by a military air transport pilot in an RD-47 (Douglas DC-3) in 1967. Both photos contain clues to the vehicles operation and are both virtual dead ringers for the McCandlish illustration. In other words, they are photograph proofs of the existence of the ARV.

    This image, one of three, taken by Rex Heflin in 1965 shows the earth beneath the saucer is being disturbed. I've put this image through GIMP and examined the area beneath the saucer. It appears circular in shape. There's a white colored barrel which gives an illusion of being a column in the center of the dust, but is actually outside and in the background of the circular dust pattern. There is a secondary barrel located further down the highway. This is more noticeable in higher definition photos.

    The dirt being lifted upwards is not a dust cloud, it's literally dirt and not dust, it's not like a dust cloud tossed up by rotorcraft. This is a defined circular pattern being lifted upwards. The dirt has got a tendril twisting like pattern to it, indicative of the sort of rising particles seen in atomic bomb videos. In other words, there is cohesion, and similar patterns of rising particles were noticed in atomic bomb films; which at some time later were seen as evidence of possible antigravitational effect. I believe this is in line with the information you posted about the on~going attempts to engineer stress-energy tensor of photonic metamaterials.

    The problem with branching off in to modern theories and ideas and materials is these are accessory stories. The machine is clearly in operation in 1965 in the US. By all accounts it's probable that a working prototype was in operation in the US by 1955, certainly no later than 1960. Therefore, it cannot have any technology more advanced than what was readily available at that epoch of time, and if the Nazi's had succeeded, as it seems they might have, then the technology is extremely primitive and cannot be any more advanced than what could have been created by 1945. Restricting ourselves to time and available technology simplifies the case.

    That doesn't mean we can't and shouldn't look at what we now know by any means. All the information does is help us, but only if we use it while restricting what it is telling us, and by applying what it tells us by applying that back to technology which could have fulfilled the same role at an earlier epoch in time: Which was present or could have been manufactured by 1945 and or 1960 and no later. Remember here, this photo is now over a half century old. These machines simply cannot be that complex. We need to remember this.


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  5. Gambeir

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    I might add a few after thoughts here:
    One is the most interesting thing to me personally and that is the reference you made here:
    So in the aforegoing post I suggested that we take what we now know and reverse the application to a previous epoch.

    This as being akin to reversing an examination of a historical development but without all the pieces. In other words there's no ARV parked inside the Smithsonian to go look at. So what we are attempting to unravel is akin to someone showing you a missile (the photonic metameterials) and explaining the aerodynamics and physics of it, but you're trying to understand how a WWI biplane flys (the ARV).

    You have the missile to look at and study but you only have photos of the biplane. You know the missile flies, but it doesn't remotely resemble the biplane and it clearly isn't using the same propulsion system: Yet somehow they are related?

    *This triangular formation is a repeating image/theme. The obvious question a detective asks is if this is such an evident key feature, can it not then be applied in a macroscopic scale?
     
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  6. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Yeah I don’t think it’s likely that an ion wind could move a stack of leaded glass plates, but I just mentioned it for purposes of scientific rigor – it’s an obvious concern so it’s important to show people how you ruled it out.

    You may be right, but being personally convinced isn’t useful to science. You (or somebody) need to prove that it works. Or disprove that it works – either way it would be a step forward for science. And if you can prove that it works, that would be huge. World-changing, really.

    There are lots of excellent dielectrics commercially available. Heck, if Brown did it nearly a hundred years ago at the age of 22, it can’t be terribly difficult to work it out today. One proof-of-principle device that can repeatedly generate a tiny directional force is all we need to see. You’ll be famous if you can pull that off.

    The only evidence I’m aware of that the Nazis experimented with antigravity, is the Die Glock Nazi bell that we’ve heard about, and I understand that’s just a rumor traced back to one guy who had no evidence for it. So I have very deep doubts about it.

    It troubles me how little you seem to doubt: I’ve seen zero compelling evidence that the military has had an antigravitational technology since 1960. Even today, nearly 60 years later, our best theoretical physicists can only speculate about such a thing, and nobody I know about even has a strategy for actually manufacturing such a thing.

    Why do you think that this is human technology?

    Here’s my point: if we could build something like that by 1960, then why have we never seen even the most humble proof-of-principle demonstration of a gravitational field propulsion device?

    I’ve studied the subject of gravitational field propulsion my entire life, and unless something ridiculously simple like the Townsend Brown gravitator actually works (which I think is unlikely, but I’m waiting for a definitive experiment), then it’s probably a very difficult matter to warp spacetime in the manner required to lift a physical object. None of the top minds in physics today know how to do such a thing with any existing or even foreseeable technology.

    So I think you’re being far, far too cavalier about it. And I see no credible evidence that the military, or anyone for that matter, made any progress in this direction by 1960. Honestly I’d be mightily impressed if the military had metric engineering capability even today. We don’t even have proof of a 1 millinewton directional force being generated in this manner. And yet you seem to think it’s as easy as building a toaster. I can’t fathom why you think this is so simple; we’re talking about warping spacetime here – no experiment ever conducted by anyone in the public sector has ever demonstrated even the slightest technological distortion of spacetime under laboratory conditions (but I have seen an ambitious experimental proposal involving a pair of giant superconductive magnets which might yield an extremely minute but detectable effect).
     
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  7. spacecase0

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    not sure what you want as proof,
    but I have set up the experiment in the past and it works
    I did not document it... mostly because several others have in the past,
    I use to have a 300KVDC solid state power supply that I built, but it broke years ago,
    my 19KVDC setup died a few days ago from the capacitors failing
    so can't do it again really soon, (and totally pointless to reproduce my own work when I think I can do better projects with my time and money) but this test is just not that hard to do
    most people want proof like science requires, and that takes many others verifying it, and usually universities doing the work (they seem to have no interest in it, or at least they did not when I was there)
    so I guess that my hardware all messed up at the moment will not help anything anyway as far as proof
     
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  8. spacecase0

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    I tried all kinds of things,
    just did not get results that were really larger than the others,
    and by the way, running a dielectric at 90% the instant failure rate usually ends up in them failing in a few hours of run time, maybe 40 min. or something like that. you have to back way off the voltage to get long life.
     
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  9. Gambeir

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    Thomas, corporations such a Hiller Aviation began going black in the mid 1950's and were deeply involved with so called anti~gravity research, branching off from their original and pioneering work on rotorcraft for which Stanley Hiller is famously known for his coaxial rotor designs, flying platform, ect. This information is recorded in
    Vertical Challenge: The Hiller Aircraft Story by Jay Spenser. University of Washington Press.
    https://www.amazon.com/Vertical-Cha...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01K18361U

    There's many, many, connective links to follow and this is just one I'm providing. The evidence is buried in the text with only couple of pages making reference to the work, but it is in there and the source has the credentials as a noted academic researcher and professor of aviation history.

    Some early UFO reports feature saucers which appear to be using a combination of known aerodynamic qualities and not levitation technologies. One for example is from South Africa in 1957 I believe and which features a description that sounds like a virtual dead ringer for the Dick Stasinos designed this saucer, in 1950
    - NORTHROP NS-97

    This type of saucer is primarily using aerodynamics and physics associated with Coanda and Fisbee with a possible association of phenomena associated with Schaubergers' Repuksin saucers.
     
  10. Kchoo

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    Somebody hire spacecase0... it is time this person had the tinker toys needed to get this figured out!
     
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  11. Gambeir

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    Myself and others have a considerable amount of time invested in this topic. We are conducting and investigation and inquiry, and having formulated a working hypothesis about the historical origins we then constructed a time line of events to base the investigative process upon. This is what an investigator does.

    I think that if you do take time and go look back over the threads and information contained in them you may come to similar conclusion, but if you don't that's fine too. However we aren't going to be defending our position or hypothesis because that's not why we are here.

    This isn't a trial, I'm not here to play the role of a prosecutor or a defense attorney. We are trying to validate the hypothesis by back tracking using a lose time line, and so far the outline of events seems to be a good hypothesis which has brought us fruit. Yes, we don't yet have our flying carpet but that doesn't mean people with half the GNP of the United States might have done slightly better. It just means we don't have the same resources to fall back on. Now it may turn out that the hypothesis is wrong and we will all be told the real truth but I wouldn't hold my breath for that one.

    As for what you see, well that Morrison is a personal perspective; we also have people here on this very site who also see seagulls without wings instead of flying saucers, as well as balloons, smudges and just about any other possible explanation, but never have I seen them say they see a flying saucer in any video or photograph.

    What we are doing here is making an inquiry in to the ARV using a hypothesis to formulate possible working hypothesis of operation for that craft. It's a topic I've been dinging around with for several years.

    I don't deal with theoretical physics, I deal with empirical science that I can sense and see with my own eyes, and possibly make in the garage; after all I'm interested in a flying carpet myself but I need some help as well.


    Review the other links is my simple answer.

    Yea, well they do have flying saucers. I've seen those first hand flying in formation so I know they have those for sure.
    Those weren't alien space ships, just old round metal saucers flying in a typical finger formation like all military wings do. Might as well have had USAF written on the bottoms far as I'm concerned. I saw about 11 of em flying in formation right through the middle of downtown Reno Nevada back in about 2014, right in broad daylight. Not making a sound and rock steady smooth as glass at about 7 am under crystal clear sky. Believe me I know military aircraft and formations, my dad took us to all the airshows as kids back in the days when such things were almost common, and those saucers were USAF and not aliens.

    This metric engineering business of Harold's sounds good and he's world renowned of course, but I can tell you right now that the USAF does have flying saucers, so whatever they are using it's either some other type of propulsion or there's a work round to the requirements that Harold talks about.

    The black triangles are another matter. These seem to be more in line with the ideas of metric engineering, and we all better hope they also have triangular ships because the later can move in excess of mach 40 without any sound at all. Literally so fast that they are invisible. I didn't realize it but the reports of these things goes back to the mid 1990's!

    At any rate I saw one of these ships in July of 20017, I think it was 2017, getting so old so it seems like last month, but it was parked almost on the front lawn (smile). Ok, well actually about 600 feet up and about 100 yards to the south of the front door, but close enough that there was no mistaking what I was looking at. Now understand when I'm telling you this that I'm living on the fringes of Seattle. I'm surrounded by military and this is the fortress of the Lazy B and her millions of mindless minions whom drone away making obsolescent airplanes. My house is on a high point, a natural landmark planes routinely use to judge where they are, and this includes the airliners from time to time which come in to Seatac.

    At any rate, believe me or don't, I don't care but we better all hope these machines are ours or else we are all in deep doo doo. All I can say is I'm totally convinced the saucers are postively USAF. That black tetradhedron thingy looks man made to me. It doesn't look anything like something an alien would create.
     
  12. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Well, hopefully one day somebody will perform this experiment successfully and write a rigorous paper about it, and upload video and provide the experimental data and soforth. I think that would elicit independent experimental replications at some universities or perhaps NASA, and off we'd go.

    The problem with purely anecdotal accounts is that any number of factors can produce a false positive.

    This gent gave it a shot with null results:
    12 inch resin gravitators construction details (June to October, 2001)
    12 inch resin gravitators mark 1 and mark 2 (June to October, 2001)

    And as you can see with these experiments, he discovered that current leakage from exposed conductors can produce enough ion wind to induce motion:
    Poynting Flow Thruster Experiments

    But then there are also potential thermal deformations in the power leads while the current flows through them that can induce a false positive.

    So it's not enough to say that seeing is believing; all of this stuff has to be dealt with rigorously in order to present a compelling argument for a genuine scientific discovery. And I have a very hard time believing in the validity of this effect, because any college electronics lab would have the resources to try this out, and so far, nobody has ever affirmed the validity of this experiment. I'd like to think that it simply hasn't been conducted properly, or that it's been somehow overlooked. So it's in my grey basket.

    I wish I could do that. But I spend all of my discretionary income on my own research.

    Thanks for sharing your accounts, they're fascinating.

    I suspect that those black triangles are man-made - I mean, they look so much like the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber that it's hard not to think they're the next gen in USAF hardware.

    One possible method of non-gravitational field propulsion might explain such craft - a high-frequency focused magnetic beam could induce Lenz law repulsion via electrical currents in the silica of the Earth's crust, as described in this fascinating Lockheed patent:
    US5929732A - Apparatus and method for amplifying a magnetic beam - Google Patents

    And I've seen infrared footage shared by Richard Dolan in some of his talks that appears to show triangular man-made craft operating in the upper atmosphere, just beyond view of the unaided human eye. They move in an odd way, but they still obey the conventional laws of inertia, so I think they're probably ours.

    But it seems highly unlikely that the kind of craft I saw as a kid could be human technology - those things zig-zagged across the sky at thousands of miles per hour in perfect formation; it was like watching a pair of glowing ping-pong balls reflecting off of invisible barriers in the sky. No slowing or curving when they changed direction at an acute 30-degree angle, over and over again. Only a gravitational field propulsion system could do that without producing crushing g-forces. I did a rough calculation one time and if it were any kind of non-gravitational propulsion system, the g-forces would've been greater than those of a slug from a high-power rifle reflecting off of a solid block of steel, over and over again.

    I seriously doubt that we have anything with that kind of gravitational field propulsion capability. I would love to think that we do - because with that level of technology it's an easy romp to the closest stars in our neighborhood of the galaxy. But that entails applied general relativity, and we haven't even made the first baby steps in that direction yet, in the public sector anyway. It might be possible that there's a breakaway civilization that has that level of technology right now, but I just can't accept the possibility that we've had that level of technology since the 60s without seeing some very compelling evidence for it. For me it's not enough to read this or that claim in a book - talk is cheap...claims are cheap. And the world is chock full of hoaxers and BSers. So, personally, my standard of evidence is much higher than mere words.

    But if somebody could explain the theory of operation for such an achievement, and maybe provide some technical specs and a modest proof-of-principle demonstration - then I'd take that very seriously.

    In any case, I tend to agree with your sentiment: if some of these puppies are alien in origin (and I think that some of them are), then yes of course we're dramatically outmatched technologically. But they've never bombed a city or anything like that, so they don't seem to have any interest in destroying us. Maybe they're just studying us to figure out wtf is wrong with us, haha.
     
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  13. spacecase0

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    for many reasons you said, I am not going to try and reproduce some very small effect.
    who cares if that gets reproduced, it is not useful on its own, like that steam engine that the ancient romans had, just a toy to play with.
    now if I can take some new physics ideas (like the one that time is a field force) and start trying new things that will get a large and easy to measure effect, then we might get somewhere.
    I have personally seen time getting messed with just as if it were another field force.
    and if you can change time, you can change gravity.
    seems to me that time flows different in different locations (NASA verified this with the space shuttle in orbit),
    so my thoughts are that time flow difference is what gravity is caused by.
    an analogy is how diffraction bends a light wave.
    I have a device that will make a time field, but it makes an alternating field (+/- about 1.5 seconds),
    it does mess with gravity through electric and magnetic shields,
    but I need a static field to test this idea well enough to prove it or make it useful.
    so for the past 20 or so years, I have been trying to figure out how to make this field not alternate.
    the ARV fascinates me because it has many similar elements to my device, so I think there is something to learn here.

    for anyone looking for more info on that time field idea, the likely idea is simple enough
    3 field forces, time, electric, magnetic. all at right angles to each other. and to make any useful field with time, the 90 degrees has to be spin. so, some call it a spin field and not a time field.
     
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  14. Gambeir

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    Thomas, thanks for your generally well measured response, but let me say this; don't let your doubts cloud your otherwise sound and rational conclusions which you appear to possess. Just because you find it impossible to believe doesn't mean it isn't real and didn't happen exactly as the evidence before you says it did.

    Most career policeman, detectives, and or private investigators will probably have a story which so horrified them, or which was otherwise so shocking that they tried to disprove but could not. Stories where the factual evidence pointed to an individual whom you just could not fathom capable of committing the act, but which the evidence proved they had, and which could not be refuted no matter how many ways to Sunday you and everyone else tried to "invent" the most implausible alternative explanations. So do not allow your preconceived ideas as to what is, and what is not possible, to cloud your judgement. Let the evidence speak for itself.

    Thomas, as in all investigations you have to start somewhere. So where we started was by taking a closer look at the illustration done by Mark McCandlish. He's a technical illustrator first, and artist second, with a long and successful career, at least so right up till the time he created the illustration of the ARV. As I'm sure you're aware the story behind this specific illustration gives good reason to use it as a starting point.

    So we began with that; we took the illustration of Mark McCandlish as a ruff guide which has been extensively discussed in various circles and which Mark himself has done his level best to describe technically and to the best of his ability and understanding. All the ideas presented in the illustration are about the closest thing we currently have to an authentic blue print. For this reason I concluded that for the purposes of an informal and open investigation that illustration would be a good starting point to try to uncover what possible propulsion system it or other similar vehicles might use.

    I also contacted Mr Mcandlish via email and purchased a couple prints of the ARV so that I'd have the real McCoy to look at. Mark was very free with his information and shared what he had learned over time. He has many friends and associations with acclaimed scientists including Harold Puthoff. The ideas presented in the illustration are well founded.
    Harold E. Puthoff

    The next task was to attempt to construct a ruff time line: Just as in any criminal investigation you want to re~construct a time line of events, and while forming a hypothesis about what took place at what time, and so as to explain the final outcome logically.

    We can trace the understanding of crystal power back to the 1920's, and by the late 1930's the supposedly necessary theoretical physics were in place so as to enable an workable hypothesis that some scientists could have formulated an alternative propulsion system. That power system would have been based on the evident piezo~electric and electro~optical qualities of quartz crystals. Something which was not understood for a long time to come evidently, but may have been known by elite scientists around the world.

    So it's possible that so~called vacuum polarization, induced by the quartz capacitor, was understood even before the last global war, or some 79 years ago when Nazi Germany invaded Poland. The evidence we do have says there were Nazi saucers. We can be relatively sure at least more than paper projects had been created, but even the paper projects which were recovered were enough to cause the US war planners some considerable fear, and almost immediately afterwards the military industrial complex began what seems to be a re~creation of the known path which the Germans had evidently followed. In other words, they began a search for the mythical anti~gravity.

    One of the most knowledgeable persons on the topic of Nazi Disc Aircraft is Rob Arndt. There is an excellent piece posted on Greyfalcon website on Rudolf Schrievers flying top.
    Rudolf Schriever
    A recovered broken link from Greyfalcon.
    @ germanufos.greyfalcon.us

    This image is from a patent obtained by the famous aeronautical engineer Heinrich Fleissner.
    http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/PATENT2.jpg
    The Peenemuende Saucer Project
    "Případ Fleissner": Levný raketový motor za politický azyl v ČSSR - Kauzy, události a zprávy z Vysočiny
    This image is of Fleissner's coal dust powered saucer patented in 1960 and based on a design produced for the use of alternative fuels under the Third Reich. The Nazi's pioneered alternative power and weapon systems with coal dust being significant in applications such as this one and in fuel air bombs.
    http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/PATENT1.jpg

    So the point here is that there is ample evidence to show that immediately post WWII the military industrial complex began a recreation process which is quite traceable.

    Now this link to Zamandayolculuk.com is probably the most inclusive interdisciplinary article I've seen. Among other things It has an verbatim account from Mark McCandlish on the ARV story. Highly recommended BTW.
    Nazi UFO

    Here is an out take as Mark explains his own understanding of the electron theory of operation, and how this conceptualization matches the idea previously presented in your own post of a tetrahedron producing an orbital of electrons which induce an asymmetrical force in a specific direction.

    "Every atom in the universe is just like a little gyroscope: it's got all these electrons spinning around the nucleus, and they have a gyroscopic effect, which is the effect we call inertia and mass. We have one nucleus with a proton and a neutron and one electron - hydrogen - spinning around like that: not very much mass, not too much inertia. If you take uranium 235, [with] 235 electrons all spinning around in their different clouds, there is a lot of mass; there is a lot of inertia, because it's like a bigger gyroscope, in a way. At least, that's the analogy that I've kind of picked up here. But, if you have a way of interfering with that absorption of zero-point energy so those electrons become de-energized, they begin to slow down. The effect of that inertia, that gyroscopic effect, begins to drop off, and the mass drops off too, even though the atomic structure is intact; and it's still there - it's still uranium, but it's not as heavy."
    Mark McCandlish.
     
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  15. Mathias Båge

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    I've wondered about the witness testimonies that says that many UFO's have a coil-enclosed sump and a central column at the center of the craft. The central column also has a kind of collar around it, and something that looks like mercury is swirling inside it.
    Here's artwork from James Allen's documentary which allegedly is inspired by witness testimonies:
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    If we assume that MAGVID coils (not shown in above picture) surrounds everything, the coil in the sump could be the static coil of a MAGVID.
    The central column and its collar is harder to explain. Maybe the column is a kind of indicator used to visually monitor how the electric vortices/rotating magnet fields develop/are sustained/shaped.
    The collar is even harder to explain right now.
    I made a 3D drawing of how I think it might look inside those UFO's.
    Side view:
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    Tilted view:
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  16. Gambeir

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    Nice work Mathias, the illustrations look great; originally I took the sump to be a wireless power transmitter.

    What I see is tornado like technology: In a tornado you have a double sheath of counter flowing charged particles, which is visible due to the all the debris involved with a tornado, but a tornado is describing a similar flow and design as what we seem to be seeing here.

    The coils on the sump's wall would be forming the positive charge field and which would rotate in opposition to the center column. The center column would be the negative charge carrier. This center column would be the downward earth bound charge carrier, with the upwards charge carrier being the outer sump wall field.

    The first thing is that this looks like it's designed to spin a magnetic field into a tornado funnel, and then the secondary function is to contain that funnel in a semi~solid state by magnetic flux, if you follow, so as to become an invisible but supportive magnetic column capable of holding up a vehicle or acting as tractor beam.

    We know that the magnetic field can and does form vortices akin to those of formed by the wingtips of aircraft and or by tornado/cyclonic actions. These are slow moving and do not dissipate immediately. It appears to me that the means of levitation are a contained magnetic vortex, and the center columns function is to form a similar attractive feature for the magnetic column to adhere itself to, with the outer column also fulfilling the same role as a tornado which by means of a postitive charge produces an inwards pinching action on the spinning vortex, as the nature of any spinning matter is to fly apart by inertial forces, and so there has to be a means to explain the formation of a material funnel as in the case of a tornado and this is that explanation. So it appears to me that on the surface this is not a lot different from the model of a tornado and the physics of it's operation are almost identical.

    Not too sure how clearly I've explained this idea.

    Think of a curled line of magnets like a spiral staircase all leading down to the ground. All the magnets are held in place by an iron bar going down to the earth from the center of the machine. This bar is the central column and the bar is a negatively charged particle beam/ions which will then act upon the magnets in a similar manner as the ionic charges do in a tornado, and in this case it will be the same but with one or the other of the so~called poles of the magnets facing inwards by their attraction to the central column of charged particles. Ideally I would think with the outer edges of the magnetic vortex being primarily positively charged and being more energetic these will be more forcefully attracted inwards, but the specifics are unclear without testing the idea because all inwards facing negative poles would of course repel themselves from one another. So the gist of the idea is present, but it's going to take a little refining to iron out.
     
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    * Note; after having a bit more time it might be better to think of the projected particle field as a singular round rod magnet which might make more sense.

    Jerry Bayles has posted these PDF's, the first of which pretty well describes the idea presented.
    I highly recommend reading this. Never mind the math, just read it for the implications, you don't have to understand the mathematical proofs to understand what this implies.
    http://www.electrogravity.com/AVCForce/AtomicVectoredCentrifugalForce.pdf

    Electrogravity

    The magnetic field is independent of the rotating magnet and having a latency about it's rotational movements which are described as moving very slowly. This is Jerry's video which shows this. You have to think about it a little to understand the idea.

    "A latency in the motion of the magnetic field suggests to me that the steady state magnetic field has an inertia that can be regarded as the same thing as mass in very slow rotational motion."
    Jerry Bayles

     
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  18. humanoidlord

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    wait... they say that right in the book? would be nice if you could quote the revelant part
     
  19. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    thats a very clearly thinly veiled attack at me, and i must say they are real UFO pictures out there, they just arent as easy to find as bogus ones
    heres a tip: keep digging
     
  20. humanoidlord

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    the entity behind the ufo phenomena loves mimicking know behaviour of all countries militarys, because that is the objective of the ufo phenomena: deception
     

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