Are UFOs 'Nuts & Bolts' Or Spiritual?

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  1. nivek

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  2. humanoidlord

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    well thomas basically trashed that theory one time he was here, soooo...
     
  3. spacecase0

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    yes, he trashed the theory
    but not by disproof
    no one ever tries to disprove it without vanishing fast
    they all hide behind some logic flaw
     
  4. humanoidlord

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    well i ain't a physicist, so i also can't debunk it for you
     
  5. spacecase0

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    "debunk"
    an emotional attack on logic
    disproof is quite another thing
     
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  6. Thomas R. Morrison

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    No - Alcubierre showed very clearly that right-angle turns can be performed with a gravitational field propulsion system, with zero subjective g-forces, because a craft employing such a system is simply in free-fall along an artificially produced geodesic curvature. Likewise, you could leap from a standstill to thousands of miles per hour in a nanosecond, and an observer aboard the craft would feel no sense of acceleration at all.

    It's counterintuitive, but that's what the physics says.

    Given what we've learned in recent decades about exobiology and exoplanets, the most likely hypothesis is that the universe is teeming with life, and most of the intelligent life has a head start of a couple of billions of years, giving them plenty of time to master interstellar travel.

    The conditions on Mars aren't very favorable for life. And we don't yet have the technological capability of detecting life on planets orbiting other stars.

    One word: "radar."

    Rearranging the furniture is a physical act, which demands a physical mechanism.

    When somebody succeeds in moving a chair with the "power of the mind," or creating a single electron through an act of will, then I hope somebody will email me the paper about it. Until then, I'm assuming that such fanciful imaginings are exactly that.
     
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  7. humanoidlord

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    from what i have learned UFOs have both a physical and non-physical existence
     
  8. Georgek

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    I must admit that I do not understand this point?

    Firstly a geodesic curve has nothing to do with the point in question that UFOs have been known to suddenly turn at right angles at high speed.

    Talking about Earth properties, what happened to momentum and the energy stored in the body known as potential energy.?
    Any material object would break up at sudden velocity direction as momentum pushes in a straight line. Momentum has to be present as to have velocity and acceleration

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    We still have momentum by which vector forces are present.
    Gravitational field sets at 9.81m/s2 and mass has nothing to do with weight.
    In effect we are not talking hypothetical but practical. Shear stress would pull anything apart being 'nuts and bolts'

    shear stress. A form of stress that subjects an object to which force is applied to skew , tending to cause shear strain. For example, shear stress on a block of wood would arise by fixing one end and applying force to this other; this would tend to change the block's shape from a rectangle to a parallelogram

    Vector forces would have to change direction suddenly releasing a turbulent energy so great that it would be impossible.

    We know for a fact

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    I accept that but how do we explain solidity in terms of our own make up? All I am saying here is that I do not see them as material because their craft have shown inter dimensional manoeuvrability with little or no mass.

    Our concept of space is completely wrong because we will never escape this solar system. I for one do not believe in any moon landing as this is just connected with the 'cold war' with Russia. Having said that, I could be wrong, but our science will never achieve free space travel.
    There is clear indication that our material communication methods especially with SETI is on a different concept with these life forms.

    We are not equal to them, and never will be. They are well aware of our communications but chose to ignore.

    Incorrect. Radar is RF energy which interacts with energy fields . It is called electronic detection countermeasures. Such as fringe radiation having no material properties. Thus indicating that radar can be fooled.

    Or pulse energy! (EMP)
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    EMP interference is generally disruptive or damaging to electronic equipment, and at higher energy levels a powerful EMP event such as a lightning strike can damage physical objects such as buildings and aircraft structures. The management of EMP effects is an important branch of electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) engineering.

    Weapons have been developed to deliver the damaging effects of high-energy EMP.



    It is called telekinesis .

    I had seen it done and that is good enough for me. The mind plays an active part and may be manipulating transient energy.
     
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  9. Georgek

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    One theory is that they are inter dimensional by which their real world is in a different plane of existence.

    This would mean that a s the two planes...our physical and their spiritual OVERLAP we are in effect seeing weightless none physical objects. For example light and heat where we have infra red?

    If they can move across to our physical......they have to move back to their own plane in order to travel vast distances and even move at right angles
     
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  10. Thomas R. Morrison

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    It explains it perfectly: if the craft is technologically generating a gradient in the spacetime around itself, then the craft is uniformly accelerated in the direction of the polarized spacetime gradient so neither the craft nor any potential occupants inside feel any g-forces - they're in free-fall. If the technology suddenly shifts the direction of that spacetime gradient, say, in a direction at an acute angle to the initial direction, then the craft and any possible occupants simply "fall" in the new direction, instantaneously and without any experience of g-forces. Regardless of the manouvers, from the POV of the craft/occupants, it feels like standing still.

    You can read about this and study the mathematics in Alcubierre's 1994 paper on the subject:

    “The warp drive: hyper-fast travel within general relativity,” M. Alcubierre, 1994.
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0009013.pdf

    No - these Newtonian considerations don't apply to GR; they only apply to reaction propulsion systems like rockets and cannons. A body accelerated by the metric curvature of spacetime remains "at rest" with respect to its reference frame - it feels no forces, and therefore acquires no momentum or kinetic energy with respect to its reference frame. It's a radically different type of physics than Newtonian physics, just as quantum field theory is a radically different form of physics than classical electromagnetism. You just don't hear about it as much because for us it's still at the theoretical level, but once we devise a gravitational technology people will hear all about this stuff.

    I know what's called, I just don't believe in it because nobody has ever succeeded in producing such an effect under properly controlled laboratory conditions. But many people have been fooled by magic tricks.

    Until there's a test of psychokinesis that can be demonstrated in the lab, without trickery, then it remains a myth. Even the top remote viewers and researchers for the government's Stargate program never observed telekinesis (probably because it doesn't exist).
     
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  11. Shadowprophet

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    Nuts and bolts, Here is why, people think of the technology aspect so much they tend to forget there are usually occupants in those crafts. Why would a physical alien, Need a spiritual UFO? Or vice versa. I don't think spiritual entities would need a craft to travel at all, as things like physical distance would be moot for what is basically tantamount to an energy being.

    Nah, The closest I will approach to saying UFOS are not nuts and bolts, would be to proclaim that those crafts are from a higher dimension and thusly we aren't perceiving the entire craft, that maybe our minds are interpreting the tech and trying to rationalize what we know by comparing them to things we legitimately do understand, Like "nut's and bolts"
     
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  12. Shadowprophet

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    Just saw this reply, After my current post, I am in total agreement with the possibility that they could be from other dimensions of space time.
     
  13. Georgek

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    It may be obvious to many here, but it is not to me.....as I am just a simple man. It still does not explain how a physical object can turn at right angles with speed and not break up. Whether they can sit inside and sup tea or be thrown to obscurity. Sitting in an aircraft is bad enough as I hate to be inside a space ship suddenly changing speed tangentially and not feel anything. The sudden force alone would crack the sound barrier even going in a straight line.

    I am not meaning to be rude, but these dorks do not interest me. It simply cannot be done...period. They come and go on Youtube and if I had my way, I would rid cyber space of all that rubbish. No physical object can sustain this and even if the materials can take it, I doubt whether the atmosphere can.
    I am not saying that physical UFOs cannot be in our atmosphere...I simply have had no experience of any. If however you use a hypothesis (and that may be just what it is?) that so and so says this.....I know that it cannot be done. We can say that their physical craft properties can be superior to our understanding...I cannot challenge that but you have to remember that we also have air friction and I assume you are talking about UFOs changing direction at speed? If we are talking about a metaphysical I can go along with that. 'Nuts and bolts'...no


    Are you talking physical or metaphysical? I am talking physical as the point I made, was a UFO being of physical properties cannot do a right angle turn at speed without disruptions whilst in our earth atmosphere. To emphasise this clearer, the point I made, was that UFOs are often seen doing right angled turns by the observer. Hence making the point, that if these craft were solid, that it could not be done.

    Fair enough. What about Uri Geller? Well...pretty much like anyone I suppose...some may ask;- "Why bring him into the equation?"

    Or better still... why Alcubierre?
    They taught me some cr*p at college and most of these scientific laws are in the bin now, but sometimes we have to be fair and allow their c*ap to surface at times.....after all it stood the test of time.

    Newtonian laws are more straight line propulsion theories but Newton proved many of his theories and until we can prove other things about curved space...or Euclidean geometry they remain theories although probable. Yet here I assume we are talking 'Newtonian Earth One' to planet 0975694. Earth One being where we are now and as long as some space bob don't hit' us on the noggin from up there all we can do is watch.
     
  14. Georgek

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    Hello ShadowProphet

    Let us assume that aliens have evolved far beyond the human race? Let us also assume that they have reached a stage of evolution whereby they have no use for a physical body?

    Yer...okay..they are just assumptions and that makes me just as bad to propose something so unclear as being spiritual.

    Perhaps spiritual is the incorrect word as to be metaphysical? Let us suppose that UFOs are inter dimensional?
    This would explain this topic.
    I am sure many will agree, that transition is gradual rather than step like?
    If we use the analysis of digital compared to analogue we can say that as they leave one dimension and enter another dimension that this would be gradual and perhaps over lapping? In other words, they can be seen equally in our dimension as well as the next dimension.

    We would perhaps become transparent to them as their craft would also be transparent to us.

    It would also mean that their manoeuvrability would allow total flexure in the other dimension allowing us to see their craft do right angle speeds. It would mean that in effect, that would just be the interference or illusion of their craft in our dimension.

    What I had seen may not be what others have seen, as here I only speak for myself.

    I watched a UFO the size of a dustbin hover above our chimney for a length of time whilst spinning. By which it was observing us, as we were observing it.

    Thinking back.....I believe the only way it was visible to us, was the fact that it was spinning. Likewise we used to see air currents move above our heads back in the early days. If you ever watch Startrek they looked exactly like when an enemy vessel was cloaked. Like heated air currents meandering.

    The interesting thing was that there never was any wind. Which indicated that they were not actually performing in our atmosphere.

    Time seems to be another factor and I believe that they have this ability to enter our world in a physical way by moving from their dimension to our own.

    My other observation is that they use robots. Reason I assume is that they cannot perform physical tasks and that all the aliens we ever see are drones.

    Indication is that I am correct...because I was able to observe them.

    George
     
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  15. Georgek

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    Ahh....just seen your post...so we agree. lol
     
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  16. Georgek

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    One thing that I have known them to react with..is time.
    I keep going on about what happened to me whilst in my office at Wollaton about this abduction.

    The only way I found out that time was missing was the fact that my dictation machine was running.

    We used to get these exploding pockets of light which now makes me believe that something may have happened just before?
    A typical example was when I was in this car park with Julie about 30 years ago. I had already mentioned this on the forum.

    I just saw the flash of light. With Julie, it was a different story. Some may say:- "Oh she is just agreeing with you as to lead you on?"

    Julie is not like that and had never lied.
    At the time, she was experiencing stomach ache and she had an X-ray which found what was called Atrial Thrombosis.

    It was a blood clot between the stomach and another body organ (I cannot remember which)

    She was scheduled for a body scan a week later. (I cannot remember what these scans were as I recollect one was a sound vibration of some kind)

    Anyway....

    I just saw the flash of light as it was pretty dark at the time. It was a bit like God's light bulb.

    I turned to Julie and asked whether she had seen it, by which she said that she did not. I found this difficult to accept and questioned her why not? It was bright and clear.
    She continued making an excuse that I happened to be looking sideways whilst her head was turned in another direction.

    She then started awakening from a kind of trance as she said:- "Oh my God!!!"

    So I asked her what was the matter and was almost sobbing with frustration saying that they told her not to mention anything. Her words were:- "Wow I have seen something...I will tell George and something made me stop"

    She continued telling me that she was staring at this black cracker type object for a length of time until it eventually disappeared.

    This must have been when I saw the flash of light as it left our world whilst having been in her astral world.

    I told her that this must be a cure. Sure enough, she went for her scan and there was nothing there!! They said:- "Unexplainable but these things can happen"

    The gods want us together...as there is work to be dome as she is my rock. This is why I have succeeded in life.

    I feel that if she had not met me, that she would not be alive now? Presumptuous I agree and probably big headed...but I do not mean to be.

    I sometimes look at my hands and think:- "How did that happen?"

    I am a success...but UFOs burn inside of me. It is almost a obsession!! A mania as if an inner force is spurning me forward.

    Often wonder what else happened in my life? These voices in my head that I can never remember hat was said to me.

    Waking and standing up looking out of the window having sleep walked. My head pointing towards the sky looking up.

    These aliens never cease to amaze me.

    I can talk and talk and folks may just yawn out loud ...thinking "What a nutter!" lol
     
  17. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    That is a silly question, IMHO.

    Most, probably 90+% are physical crafts.
    They do not have to be coming here from light-years away but may merely be coming from another universe. Getting here from there is a process of "phase-transitioning".

    As far as high speed maneuvering go, if the craft has it's own gravitation system then things and people inside would be immune to centrifugal forces of such and would feel no sense of motion at all.

    One thing most people and researchers fail to consider is the time flow differences from our universe as compared to others. Depending on how far away the other universe is( not in actual distance but as far as phase position goes) the greater the temporal flow differences. So a ship from universe A for example, travels to universe B. where the time flow differences are 1 minute universe A equates to 6 months of universe B. Well for the people of that craft they could stay in universe B for 6 months before 1 minutes passes back home in universe A.
    If the craft came from Universe B, then for every minute that passed 6 months would go by back home in universe B.
    This can be reversed and be lesser or even more dramatic.

    This should be considered when people are concerned about UFO shape changes. For them, our 60 years may equate to centuries or more for them.
    While time is exaggerated in this way so is space distances in an equal way.
     
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  18. Shadowprophet

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    Take into account, Time dilation, Acceleration dilates time. An example would be, If I left earth right now, traveling at near light speed in a round trip. When ten years pass for me, about forty years would have passed for everyone left behind upon my return. Ultimately, To calculate the natural lifespan of an entity would be difficult because one would need to factor in how fast they have been moving for how long. Because without a doubt this would affect their travels in one way or another. That's not to mention we wouldn't know what their natural life spans where.
     
  19. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    But if you used a artificially generated worm-hole to go 1 billion light-years away 1 minute would still be 1 minute. There and back.
    Our universe has it's very own phase that varies very little from one end of the universe to the other. Time dilation is different than what I am referring to. It is sort of similar as time will shrink or expand depending on what direction of travel one takes into the multiverse. Time has a polarity to it. Positive time is where time expands. negative time is where it begins to shrink. And neutral is where time remains the same. There is an endless string of universes that fall into that category as well.

    IMHO...
     
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    Well, I don't really know how to calculate for a wormhole, Because, in cases like that, Space is folded, So, the travel distance and acceleration would be different. I'm not writing that possibility out, In fact, I support that it could be a thing, I just can't calculate for it is all.
     

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