Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

[GhostofBiedny]

Unless I'm mistaken a lot of the stuff he has done has broken civil not criminal law. The only punishment for that is financial. I'm also not 100% sure how bankruptcy violations and bankruptcy fraud are prosecuted. People do go to jail for tax shenanigans though.

However begging under false pretences is fraud which I do believe would be a criminal act - the issue is of resources. Most cons never get prosecuted by the authorities because they either don't find out about them, or even when they do they have a long list of others to deal with and limited resources.

The one thing that really does surprise me has slipped under the radar is the various shady corporations he has created including the one with his BIL because the authorities should have uncovered Gene's shenanigans when they were looking into those.

Also it is common for co-conspirators to snitch on each other when it looks like they are going to jail. One of my theories is that the BIL made some kind of deal with him to not spill the beans on Gene. Gene then tried to use his pet ebeg scam to raise money for his defence until that failed. Then when he came out jail Gene assisted him in starting up his new scams including bringing him on the Paracast as some kind of money expert and pretending they weren't related.

 

[goblin]

Unless I'm mistaken a lot of the stuff he has done has broken civil not criminal law. The only punishment for that is financial. I'm also not 100% sure how bankruptcy violations and bankruptcy fraud are prosecuted. People do go to jail for tax shenanigans though.

However begging under false pretences is fraud which I do believe would be a criminal act - the issue is of resources. Most cons never get prosecuted by the authorities because they either don't find out about them, or even when they do they have a long list of others to deal with and limited resources.

The one thing that really does surprise me has slipped under the radar is the various shady corporations he has created including the one with his BIL because the authorities should have uncovered Gene's shenanigans when they were looking into those.

Also it is common for co-conspirators to snitch on each other when it looks like they are going to jail. One of my theories is that the BIL made some kind of deal with him to not spill the beans on Gene. Gene then tried to use his pet ebeg scam to raise money for his defence until that failed. Then when he came out jail Gene assisted him in starting up his new scams including bringing him on the Paracast as some kind of money expert and pretending they weren't related.

Interesting thought with regard to Gene and his BiL. I've kind of figured Gene just doesn't have a lot of friends and the BiL knew how to be a friend to Gene, and somehow for Gene that excused his terrible behavior. But I have no idea. Perhaps Gene was afraid of him but covered that by deciding that they were friends?

My guess is Gene registers as a small time non-violent criminal, more of a nuisance than a menace. Somehow that has kept him from jail. His credit is likely ruined, and he STILL manages to rack up debts (Desert Mirage) I feel confident he'll never pay.

In a society with the time and resources to worry about small annoying fish he might have something to worry about, but I imagine the authorities have him pretty far down on their list of concerns.

 

[GhostofBiedny]

As far as I know, the penalty for losing a lawsuit is financial, not jail.

In fact I saw a news clip about the problem of professional squatters a while back which is one of Gene's "bread and butter" cons. One of the problems in that report that both the police and the victims of the squatters were complaining about was that it fell under civil law and often the people who were victims weren't able to pay for the legal action necessary to bring the people to justice. The police also said they had limited powers to go after these people for the same reason. So basically most cases were not prosecuted and the people got away with it again and again.

 

[Standingstones]

In fact I saw a news clip about the problem of professional squatters a while back which is one of Gene's "bread and butter" cons. One of the problems in that report that both the police and the victims of the squatters were complaining about was that it fell under civil law and often the people who were victims weren't able to pay for the legal action necessary to bring the people to justice. The police also said they had limited powers to go after these people for the same reason. So basically most cases were not prosecuted and the people got away with it again and again.

It’s too bad more squatters aren’t brought before a judge. Maybe cons like Steinberg would get the message after he cooled his heals behind bars for awhile.

 

[goblin]

It’s too bad more squatters aren’t brought before a judge. Maybe cons like Steinberg would get the message after he cooled his heals behind bars for awhile.

Maybe. Gene's always right, so far as he is concerned. Whatever he was convicted for, it would turn out to be someone else's fault, in his view.

 

[Standingstones]

Maybe. Gene's always right, so far as he is concerned. Whatever he was convicted for, it would turn out to be someone else's fault, in his view.

Steinberg could consider whose fault it was while spending time with his buddies in the brig. We might even get a reprieve from those insufferable pleas for money. What a blessing that would be!!

 

[Dewey]

I can see why hotels charge more in Arizona in the winter than in the summer and it's not because of holiday season. Tourism to Arizona is much more popular when temps are nice rather than in the summer when it's 120 degrees. Many folks visit Arizona in the winter to escape freezing winter weather elsewhere. Hotels have higher prices and higher occupancy rates making it harder to find accommodations at cheap prices. Also, since not all hotels allow pets, that further reduces the available options. Plus the several ones he has already worn out his welcome at.

 

[GhostofBiedny]

I can see why hotels charge more in Arizona in the winter than in the summer and it's not because of holiday season. Tourism to Arizona is much more popular when temps are nice rather than in the summer when it's 120 degrees. Many folks visit Arizona in the winter to escape freezing winter weather elsewhere. Hotels have higher prices and higher occupancy rates making it harder to find accommodations at cheap prices. Also, since not all hotels allow pets, that further reduces the available options. Plus the several ones he has already worn out his welcome at.

I suspect the people at the place he is staying at are eager to get rid of him.

 

[pigfarmer]

Maybe Randall is an idiot

No. At some point he told me he had an old muscle car - a 442 I think. I therefore award him twelve portions for coolness. Then subtract six portions because he said it wasn't running.

I'll leave the balance for everyone else to hash out.

 

[The shadow]

this is Randall shutting down debate on the paracast!

"You've made some valid and interesting points, but failed to address the logic of why acceleration cannot be gravity, specifically, the truth that acceleration requires a steady increase in velocity over time whereas gravity does not. Nor can it be gravity that pushes you back in your seat when you accelerate your car. If it was, then you'd still feel pushed back in your seat whether you were accelerating or not. Just like you're pulled down in your seat even when you're not accelerating.

Unfortunately for you, you seem to have a difficult time accepting these truths, and by choosing to disengage rather than adapt, you are demonstrating a preference for remaining blind to them. Consequently you are preventing yourself from understanding the inaccuracy of your statement, "Gravity is not a force but an acceleration". Hopefully that will change in the future. You are certainly welcome back if it does and would like to carry on the discussion."

 

[wwkirk]

this is Randall shutting down debate on the paracast!

"You've made some valid and interesting points, but failed to address the logic of why acceleration cannot be gravity, specifically, the truth that acceleration requires a steady increase in velocity over time whereas gravity does not. Nor can it be gravity that pushes you back in your seat when you accelerate your car. If it was, then you'd still feel pushed back in your seat whether you were accelerating or not. Just like you're pulled down in your seat even when you're not accelerating.

Unfortunately for you, you seem to have a difficult time accepting these truths, and by choosing to disengage rather than adapt, you are demonstrating a preference for remaining blind to them. Consequently you are preventing yourself from understanding the inaccuracy of your statement, "Gravity is not a force but an acceleration". Hopefully that will change in the future. You are certainly welcome back if it does and would like to carry on the discussion."

Thomas is a lot smarter than Randall. Randall thinks he's brilliant, but he's not.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

this is Randall shutting down debate on the paracast!

"You've made some valid and interesting points, but failed to address the logic of why acceleration cannot be gravity, specifically, the truth that acceleration requires a steady increase in velocity over time whereas gravity does not. Nor can it be gravity that pushes you back in your seat when you accelerate your car. If it was, then you'd still feel pushed back in your seat whether you were accelerating or not. Just like you're pulled down in your seat even when you're not accelerating.

Unfortunately for you, you seem to have a difficult time accepting these truths, and by choosing to disengage rather than adapt, you are demonstrating a preference for remaining blind to them. Consequently you are preventing yourself from understanding the inaccuracy of your statement, "Gravity is not a force but an acceleration". Hopefully that will change in the future. You are certainly welcome back if it does and would like to carry on the discussion."

I see he has been studying his master's tactics and is developing the same insufferable arrogance. Combined with some cluelessness he's also apparently picking up from the Master Baiter, it's a recipe for, well, the sort of thing the forum there has become. It really is like watching a slow motion train wreck.

 

[nivek]

 

[GhostofBiedny]

Lol - "I'm old and recording a podcast for you... please save me from having to live within my means!"

 

[humanoidlord]

*weekly what the hell the steinbergs are up to roll call*
sorry i can't by any means follow this thread
also what happened to RPJ?

 

[wwkirk]

*weekly what the hell the steinbergs are up to roll call*
sorry i can't by any means follow this thread
also what happened to RPJ?

I respect RPJ.
I don't lose respect for someone because they appear on the Paracast. Historically, the Paracast has a good reputation, and begging is not really a reputation killer.

 

[GhostofBiedny]

I respect RPJ.
I don't lose respect for someone because they appear on the Paracast. Historically, the Paracast has a good reputation, and begging is not really a reputation killer.

I'm really puzzled by your constant ambivalence here. It's like one moment you think what Gene is doing is bad, next you think it is fine.

Gene is not just begging. He is begging under false pretences and he has been doing it since 2004. His lies have been proven by the public record. He has also operated a business with someone who went to jail for ripping vulnerable elderly people off including his own father in law who was suffering from dementia at the time. Gene still defends his BIL and slanders the victims. That is far from the total of what he has done - it would take pages of text to list it all and I would likely still forget to include many things. Like I said, it is not just begging.

The historical reputation of the Paracast is irrelevant now. It's current reputation is garbage. Ditto for the forums. This is not something that oscillates like a sine wave. Once it is gone it is almost impossible to get back. How are we to take anything on the paracast with any kind of serious credibility if the person behind it is a pathological liar who is constantly dishonest for personal gain?

How does that make him any different from people like Billy Meyer, Stephen Greer, Corey Goode and all the other people who use the Paranormal for personal gain by turning it into a joke?

Further I don't respect RPJ anymore. He seems to be aware of the situation but doesn't care. If he didn't know that would be another matter but he said he does.

So that gets zero respect from me - he is no better than any of the other people who keep propping up conmen in the paranormal world.

 

[GhostofBiedny]

*weekly what the hell the steinbergs are up to roll call*
sorry i can't by any means follow this thread
also what happened to RPJ?

Just copy and paste the same as last week and you have it. Nothing happened to RPJ. He admitted he knew about the situation with Gene and did not see it as a problem, certainly not enough to read further into it.

 

[Standingstones]

There should be ZERO doubts in anyone’s mind about Steinberg after reading the detailed accounts at the UFO Trail blog. It boils my blood when anyone gives a Steinberg a pass on his actions. It seems that certain people wish to bury their heads in the sand concerning Steinberg. Those people should be called out along with Steinberg and Murphy.

 

[GhostofBiedny]

I think this comment from the UFOtrail provides a good explanation of why someone who knows nothing about tech like Gene puts himself forward as a tech guru and does a rambling incoherent podcast about tech news. It is simply because Gene wants to wrangle free stuff out of Apple and other tech companies: