Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

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GhostofBiedny

Celestial
no hotel charges a late fee..none.

No, you either pay or you are out and if they kick you out they you will still have to pay. They will just send a credit collection agency after you. Schemey acts like nobody else has used a hotel before. It's like he thinks we are gullible children who have never done anything in life.
 

erickson

Honorable
Sounds like someone who has never been inside a 'government provided retirement home'

I used to direct a food bank program in my area and worked with seniors. There is a distinction, of course, between nursing home care (which is based on medical need) and "retirement" homes.

I have been to a number of subsidized housing units for seniors - friends, family and clients. There is one just down the street from where I live. They are comfortable and would be great for Gene.

The problem with these is that there are waiting lists. If Gene should have applied when he first became eligible he would not be in a motel

Many of us have advised him to start the process - just as we have advised him to get a meal at the senior center and use the food bank rather than buy a cheeseburger.

Gene - they are serving fish, potatoes, vegetables and other items today. There are people there who have expertise with other services.

Tomorrow the social security check arrives - will he email another plea for help?
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
I used to direct a food bank program in my area and worked with seniors. There is a distinction, of course, between nursing home care (which is based on medical need) and "retirement" homes.

I have been to a number of subsidized housing units for seniors - friends, family and clients. There is one just down the street from where I live. They are comfortable and would be great for Gene.

The problem with these is that there are waiting lists. If Gene should have applied when he first became eligible he would not be in a motel

Many of us have advised him to start the process - just as we have advised him to get a meal at the senior center and use the food bank rather than buy a cheeseburger.

Gene - they are serving fish, potatoes, vegetables and other items today. There are people there who have expertise with other services.

Tomorrow the social security check arrives - will he email another plea for help?

Agreed I think he is confusing nursing homes (where people have really severe care needs which is what makes them grim) versus residential homes which are completely different. Sure there may be the odd bad ones (same as with everything) but most of the ones I have visited (and I have visited quite a lot) are actually quite nice. Some even have individual flats/apartments for couples and singles.

The problem is most of these places expect people to pay something - they are not entirely free, certainly in the UK most of them are means tested and require you to reveal details about your financial circumstances to determine how much subsidy you get. Which is only fair, they expect you to pay towards the costs of your accommodation.

Gene would NEVER do that - he will never show anyone his finances or indeed willingly pay for accommodation even if it cost less. It seems he has to be forced into it like in the motel.

Gene likes to talk about doing his share - but if you translate that into English (from Gene-speak) it means he does nothing beyond begging for money.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I used to direct a food bank program in my area and worked with seniors. There is a distinction, of course, between nursing home care (which is based on medical need) and "retirement" homes.

I have been to a number of subsidized housing units for seniors - friends, family and clients. There is one just down the street from where I live. They are comfortable and would be great for Gene.

The problem with these is that there are waiting lists. If Gene should have applied when he first became eligible he would not be in a motel

Many of us have advised him to start the process - just as we have advised him to get a meal at the senior center and use the food bank rather than buy a cheeseburger.

Gene - they are serving fish, potatoes, vegetables and other items today. There are people there who have expertise with other services.

Tomorrow the social security check arrives - will he email another plea for help?
You can bet that Steinberg will never acknowledge getting Social Security payments. That does not play into his overall scheming plan. My Dad lived in a retirement home apartment for a number of years. This place was very pleasant and you could get your three square meals daily. His problem would be that the retirement home would require him to most likely turn over his SS check.

He probably blows that money on totally BS things. There is also the general financial accounting he would have to put himself through. Steinberg is a secretive bastard and he would have to be truthful for a change.
 

Wade

Stare..... They are always staring

At the risk of sounding whiny (like Gene I suppose) that is simply something I MUST respond to. Could you send me the link of that submission by Mike. I haven't been to the blog in awhile and I know(?) that responses to that site go on and on and on and it's not set up like this one here where one can see right off where you would respond to something that was said.

Hope that makes sense.
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
At the risk of sounding whiny (like Gene I suppose) that is simply something I MUST respond to. Could you send me the link of that submission by Mike. I haven't been to the blog in awhile and I know(?) that responses to that site go on and on and on and it's not set up like this one here where one can see right off where you would respond to something that was said.

Hope that makes sense.

It's 1 comment up from here: The UFO Trail: Caveat Emptor: A Paracast Saga of Discrepancies, Omissions and Unpaid Restitution
 

Wade

Stare..... They are always staring

Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic, ....ad infinitum

Gene, you'r a pathetic excuse for a man. Did you lose your dick in an accident? I can't even begin to describe to the forum the little lapses to my privacy and comfort I've had to endure at the assisted living location (almost all elderly , one exception,ME!!! ) I'm at while I work to get myself back to rejoing society. Mind you, I'm no kid (just turned 57 about two weeks ago) but because I'm so active....I don't think I could call begging as being active....I got a loooooooong ways before I'm ready to be shuttled off to seniors home. Jesus, I feel like throwing the "p" word out and no I don't mean pathetic as I used that earlier.

At any rate thanks for letting me vent guys. I really needed that.
 

goblin

Noble
Agreed I think he is confusing nursing homes (where people have really severe care needs which is what makes them grim) versus residential homes which are completely different. Sure there may be the odd bad ones (same as with everything) but most of the ones I have visited (and I have visited quite a lot) are actually quite nice. Some even have individual flats/apartments for couples and singles.

The problem is most of these places expect people to pay something - they are not entirely free, certainly in the UK most of them are means tested and require you to reveal details about your financial circumstances to determine how much subsidy you get. Which is only fair, they expect you to pay towards the costs of your accommodation.

Gene would NEVER do that - he will never show anyone his finances or indeed willingly pay for accommodation even if it cost less. It seems he has to be forced into it like in the motel.

Gene likes to talk about doing his share - but if you translate that into English (from Gene-speak) it means he does nothing beyond begging for money.

Right - I (very fortunately) haven't looked into elder care options in the U.S. yet, but I'm fairly confident Gene can't just surrender himself to a facility and abide there on the largesse of the state. The well-intentioned person who made the suggestion in the case Gene declared hateful, I think may live in Australia, which may have different options. I don't know what one could do if indigent and elderly in the U.S. At minimum I imagine the facility would not be top-grade, and would claim all of Gene and Barbara's SS payments. And Gene, despite his record of sending hundreds of emails squealing everything is falling apart and he hanging onto the edge by his very fingernails, may not qualify for some sort of residential care. He can still drive, may or may not have mental health issues but allegedly has no debilitating physical problems.

Taking him at his word (-ish) and going by his hyperbolic emails, I don't think he can care for himself and his wife and dog. But I don't know that he can just surrender himself to the state either. I do believe there is a lot of assistance he could pursue, including low cost counseling.
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
Right - I (very fortunately) haven't looked into elder care options in the U.S. yet, but I'm fairly confident Gene can't just surrender himself to a facility and abide there on the largesse of the state. The well-intentioned person who made the suggestion in the case Gene declared hateful, I think may live in Australia, which may have different options. I don't know what one could do if indigent and elderly in the U.S. At minimum I imagine the facility would not be top-grade, and would claim all of Gene and Barbara's SS payments. And Gene, despite his record of sending hundreds of emails squealing everything is falling apart and he hanging onto the edge by his very fingernails, may not qualify for some sort of residential care. He can still drive, may or may not have mental health issues but allegedly has no debilitating physical problems.

Taking him at his word (-ish) and going by his hyperbolic emails, I don't think he can care for himself and his wife and dog. But I don't know that he can just surrender himself to the state either. I do believe there is a lot of assistance he could pursue, including low cost counseling.

Right there are a lot of kinds of help he could get but he would have to actually want to get help. The one consistent thing with Gene is that he is not interested in help unless it involves sending him money.

Any kind of counselling or psychological therapy (even when it is not free or subsidised) will require some kind of willingness to engage or change. For example most paid psychotherapy clinics in my local region have a waiting list. It is a similar case for specialised alcohol and gambling therapy services - many of them are already overstretched and they are very selective in who they take on. If they think the person involved is not serious about changing they will refuse to take them on.

Gene has been absolute in his resistance to changing anything. That is part of what is so infuriating, he expects things to change and expects everyone to fund him on the basis that it is all temporary, yet he stubbornly refuses to change his behaviour in even the slightest way.

This is why I don't believe the idea that he is in crisis - people in crisis are not choosy, they take help and are willing to do what it takes to get out of the crisis. Gene seems to only be interested in sustaining the status quo. I think he is comfortable with his current situation, it may not be perfect, but it is not bad enough to force him to change.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I believe more than a few individuals are reluctant to simply turn their money over to Steinberg without knowing exactly how he will be spending it. Anyone with an ounce of smarts would question Steinberg about his spending habits. I would certainly want to find out where all that Social Security money goes. Of course you would never get an honest answer, thus he is still in his so-called financial bind.

The fact of the matter is that he lies about virtually everything. All I know is that if I were 73 years old, I would like a small measure of stability in my life. Steinberg won’t lift a finger to get his situation in order. Begging just won’t cut it Steinberg. You will have to do better than those lame posts you have been writing all these years. People have wised up.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
I would pay a small fee just (out of curiosity) to know on a daily basis how much $ is donated to him - if anything. Part of me says nobody is donating anything (because nobody is that foolish). But the common sense part of me says - somebody has to be donating something - otherwise he wouldn't keep asking daily. The reason he keeps sending out those emails is because it works. But who knows?
 

erickson

Honorable
I don't know what one could do if indigent and elderly in the U.S. At minimum I imagine the facility would not be top-grade, and would claim all of Gene and Barbara's SS payments. And Gene, despite his record of sending hundreds of emails squealing everything is falling apart and he hanging onto the edge by his very fingernails, may not qualify for some sort of residential care. He can still drive, may or may not have mental health issues but allegedly has no debilitating physical problems.

Subsidized senior housing can be very nice. The apartments I have seen are not substandard.

It's hard to know exactly where Gene would fit into the equation, but if he met low income qualifications for Maricopa County then rental amounting to 30 percent would be a standard figure for HUD purposes.

Again, this is not residential care or a nursing home that is based on medical need. It is a senior living apartment. Waiting lists are a factor, but if Gene is living day to day in a motel that he cannot afford without begging (emphasis on "if"), then he would get some preference. There are a number of agencies that could help Gene through this process but I would be surprised if Gene pursued this.

It seems he would rather beg than seek a permanent solution, to ask a restaurant for a free mail than to eat a free meal at the senior center, or to pin his hopes on Anders and a thousand new Paracast Plus rather than to make other decisions. It's sad.
 

goblin

Noble
Also Mike made the following comment which makes a lot of sense IMO:

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Well I can't disagree, just not sure what the Steinbergs would honestly qualify for. But good point, if the stress of worrying about paying for lodging could go away, one would think that would be a big improvement for the Steinbergs. Assuming Gene is telling the truth in his emails about waking up scared every day, etc.

Meanwhile to Erickson's poin, pursuing reduced cost housing for seniors would seem to make loads of sense for the Steinbergs. Hopefully they're in line.
 

GhostofBiedny

Celestial
Odds Gene is spending more time on this than he is on driving for Uber or Lyft?

Odds that driving for Uber or Lyft would make more money for him in the nearer term than 'upgrading' the Paracast website / forum?

To be honest I don't think Gene is spending much time on this. Even someone who has zero knowledge could pick it up and get this done within the several months that it seems to be taking him. These are just cosmetic changes to forum software and a website makeover. It is not like he is learning coding from scratch and building something completely new.

That said he is probably kicking himself upon reading this, since if he hadn't incorporated the fake Anders storyline he could have claimed that he was spending hours every day working on the forum - part of doing his share.

Now he can't say that unless he wants to admit Anders was fabricated and also admit that he is so incompetent (despite calling himself a tech expert) that he can't make minor cosmetic changes to forum software after several months of trying. Doing a website makeover is even easier, using templates makes it something that can be done by anyone, yet Gene has made no progress.

I sometimes wonder if he is actually capable of doing anything at all.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
No doubt there are other countries in which retirement homes might be an attractive option. Also true that in the US there are some very nice assisted living and nursing homes. Unfortunately I have had quite a lot of unwelcome experience regarding care for the elderly and end of life issues. Dealing with it right now. Having been through this a few times and been through a number of different types of facilities - in some cases for years - I have yet to see anything that anyone would voluntarily commit themselves to. I wouldn't even wish it on f***nuts GS.

People go to extremes to maintain their independence, and sometimes are required to for lack of a better option.

I do agree that there are places he could go to for help if that need was sincere (it ain't) and he could get himself decent free meals. He might not qualify for housing subsidy or food stamps based on his social security income.
 
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