NotSteveySteveySteve
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I really want someone to contact Randall and show him this. There is no way he can ignore this.
Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums
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GhostofBiedny
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I'm sure he can he has that rare combination of both being a moron and having no ethical backbone.
goblin
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I have been laid off twice so far. It sucks, the feeling of dislocation and the stress of the uncertainty. It's hard for me at least not to take it personally no matter the circumstances. It's sad, it would be nice to enjoy being "between jobs", but I've never been able to manage that myself. I like to be working.
I will say though I really do believe these things work out for the best. I went on to a much better job the first time I was laid off; I hope the same happens for you. I believe that it will.
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goblin
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My take is he makes his mind up and ignores later revelations that ought to change his mind. He'll ignore this or find some way to dismiss it.
And he and Gene will probably both think the villain here is Jack Brewer for sharing the info.
GhostofBiedny
Celestial
I can understand why Gene continues to pretend that he did nothing wrong and that everyone who tells the truth is bullying him. It's crazy but it has a certain criminal logic to it. What I find hard to understand is the people who keep enabling him. Obviously we have Randall who is a lost cause, but we also have a succession of guests who keep coming on the show without the slightest care for the host being a fraudster. This week will be no different. These people are all complicit.
The shadow
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who is it this time? I really don't want to advocate contacting guest but I see no other good way to warn people.
Standingstones
Celestial
It’s all starting to close in on Steinberg. I’m sure he will explain it away as more trolls trying to tear him down. He can never be truthful so he has very few avenues to go. Blame it on others. That is the Steinberg way.
The shadow
The shadow knows!
tomorrow we gather. my wife and kids.
Brian and Angie my twins current interest will drop by. for one day I will forget about the bad and be thankful for what I have. Gene will spend the day with barb. in a hotel room. maybe he will scam food. my wife thinks it's his karma. I agree.
Brian and Angie my twins current interest will drop by. for one day I will forget about the bad and be thankful for what I have. Gene will spend the day with barb. in a hotel room. maybe he will scam food. my wife thinks it's his karma. I agree.
goblin
Noble
Absolutely. He'll try to turn it around, make himself the victim and his critics are either evil, crazy or both.
I think there is no way to completely inform everyone who might enable him (even unknowingly). He'll keep getting some donations, people will still come on his show, in some cases making the choice to do so in the face of all the facts about Gene and his behavior.
Gene's support may be dying the death of a thousand cuts as revelations keep coming and word spreads. He's certainly earned that.
erickson
Honorable
First, in reply to the thought of another lonely holiday. Here's a thought. Gene - volunteer to help serve a thanksgiving meal to others.
There are lots of places around Mesa. You could find a free meal but serving would allow you to give to others and put your situation into perspective.
Problem solved.
There are lots of places around Mesa. You could find a free meal but serving would allow you to give to others and put your situation into perspective.
Problem solved.
David Biedny
Adept
Gene shares a character trait with the douchetator™ - just when you think it can't get any worse or lower with these conmen, they surprise us with some new revelation, some new insult or injury, it's a bottomless pit with these slimebags.
GhostofBiedny
Celestial
He will NEVER do that. Helping others is just not something that he could ever contemplate unless there was some substantial financial benefit for him. He sees no value in doing anything purely for the joy of helping others because he is incapable of feeling that joy. That's why he is in the situation he keeps complaining about - he is a parasite. His son and any other family are better off without him in their lives.
goblin
Noble
Now I’m imagining Gene serving up food to the homeless while simultaneously hitting them up for loans.
GhostofBiedny
Celestial
He's certainly shameless enough to do that. If he thought there was the possibility of the homeless people having enough money to make it worth his while he would beg from them too. Nothing is too low for him. In his mind his suffering (not getting his choice of new car, not getting the next Iphone right away, not getting a good restaurant meal) is much greater than anyone else's even if that other person is starving.
erickson
Honorable
When I noticed that Torson had sued Gene in Coconino County, I thought that it would be just another in a series of lawsuits against Gene. Jack took the extra step - and it paid off.
In some ways the Torson material substantiates Gene's claim that he gave Stephen a lot of money. Stephen acknowledged getting over $140,000 from Gene. Gene has stated that he emptied his accounts and took out loans that he could not repay.
Torson knew about the promissory note that Stephen signed since he used it to try to garnish any payments. The only way he sound know this is if Gene showed it to him. I think Gene used it to get Torson to give him money.
When Gene did not pay him back , Torson wrote that he would delay action if Gene could prove that there was a settlement.
This occurred late in the game. Gene was still using the "settlement" to get money. In response to David Biedny, Gene maintained that it was real. He continued to refer to it, even earlier this year. Yet when asked for proof in order to satisfy Torson, he did not have an answer.
As to Stephen, what he has to say cannot be trusted. He states that he intended to repay Gene as soon as he could regain the financial strength he had from 1993-2003. Yet, this was a time when his own business was failing and Stephen was taking money (abandoning) his father in law and scamming other victims.
It is apparent that what made Stephen angry is that Gene did not give him the full $25000 that was "due" as part of the promissory note. And it is not a coincidence that when Torson moved to garnish money through Stephen, Stephen erupted and wrote that he would never path Gene anything.
Gene should have been aware of everything presented in Torson's case. Yet throughout all of this, Gene seems to have maintained his relationship with Stephen
It is like when two crime partners get caught and each try to point their finger at each other. But it demonstrates again that Gene knew more than he has admitted. He may have started as one of Stephen's victims but he learned how to get money from others and took it from there
In some ways the Torson material substantiates Gene's claim that he gave Stephen a lot of money. Stephen acknowledged getting over $140,000 from Gene. Gene has stated that he emptied his accounts and took out loans that he could not repay.
Torson knew about the promissory note that Stephen signed since he used it to try to garnish any payments. The only way he sound know this is if Gene showed it to him. I think Gene used it to get Torson to give him money.
When Gene did not pay him back , Torson wrote that he would delay action if Gene could prove that there was a settlement.
This occurred late in the game. Gene was still using the "settlement" to get money. In response to David Biedny, Gene maintained that it was real. He continued to refer to it, even earlier this year. Yet when asked for proof in order to satisfy Torson, he did not have an answer.
As to Stephen, what he has to say cannot be trusted. He states that he intended to repay Gene as soon as he could regain the financial strength he had from 1993-2003. Yet, this was a time when his own business was failing and Stephen was taking money (abandoning) his father in law and scamming other victims.
It is apparent that what made Stephen angry is that Gene did not give him the full $25000 that was "due" as part of the promissory note. And it is not a coincidence that when Torson moved to garnish money through Stephen, Stephen erupted and wrote that he would never path Gene anything.
Gene should have been aware of everything presented in Torson's case. Yet throughout all of this, Gene seems to have maintained his relationship with Stephen
It is like when two crime partners get caught and each try to point their finger at each other. But it demonstrates again that Gene knew more than he has admitted. He may have started as one of Stephen's victims but he learned how to get money from others and took it from there
GhostofBiedny
Celestial
Where did he acknowledge that? I have not seen it. I find it unimaginable that Gene could ever get his hands on that kind of money even illegally.
goblin
Noble
There is the $140K promissory note in there from Beizer I believe. And then in Beizer’s handwritten screed he claims Gene paid his family’s bills for four years. That's how I read it anyway.
I do think Gene stated he borrowed a lot of the money he used to support the Beizer family. But he also claimed (iirc) he emptied his savings, maxed out his credit cards, his kid threw his college savings fund into the pot....
Oh and, didn't Gene say he gave Beizer $200K (or more?)...? Beizer set it at $140K and then what another $25k or $5K on top of that? I'd need to reread the docs, which I will at some point I'm sure.
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GhostofBiedny
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Is it in the attached documents because I keep getting an over bandwidth error when I try to click on them?
Anyway even if he did say that I would not believe it to be true any more than anything else Bezier said, firstly Gene has a history of bad credit going back to at least the 1990s so there is no way he could have had or obtained that amount of money. It is not a small loan - it's mortgage level borrowing. I also find it hard to believe he could have obtained such a huge sum from begging - the 44k sum was amazing enough.
Secondly if as Bezier was aware of Gene's begging on his behalf it is quite possible that he would have forged whatever documents he wanted to play in to whatever storyline he thought Gene was presenting - anyone can make a promissory note especially if they thought it would help there little scam gain more traction.
I would only believe it if we saw banking documents (validated by the court) to say that Gene had payed him $140k and at that stage the mystery would become where that money came from?
As we can see in the latest revelation the falling out seemed to stem from the BIL not getting his cut! What this confirms is that they were both aware of and expecting money from the begging that Gene was carrying out.
I also wonder if it is possible that Gene was helping the BIL to hide some of his ill gotten gains from the courts. We know he never paid a penny back to any of his victims. Is it possible this is where the $140K figure comes from? Obviously the courts would be looking into Bezier's bank records but the same would not be true of Steinberg since he was not charged with anything in that case. Maybe Gene was holding the money and slowly funneling it to Bezier to pay for living expenses as well as court costs.
This would also explain a fake promissory note. The court had often asked (if you look in the old documents from Jack's last post) where Bezier was continuing to get the money to pay for his expenses when he apparently didn't have any source of income and the stolen cash appeared to have vanished. Would certainly make sense if Gene was in charge of these funds.
Of course this doesn't explain where Gene later got his $200k (or $286k with inflation) figure from.
goblin
Noble
Yes - you'll need to look at the doc in the keepandshare link. It's worth it, when you are able, to do so.
Seriously after reading these latest docs I'm wondering who taught who to grift. Was Gene the apprentice or the master?
Or maybe they were just a pair of amoral fuckups with a gift for scamming others out of cash. How the Kaplan girls found this pair of winners, I cannot imagine, though that allegedly / apparently Helene didn't mind ripping off her own father might go a long way toward explaining.
GhostofBiedny
Celestial
I've often heard people say how being in the company of criminals encourages criminality - that is usually in terms of people going to prison or being in localities where there is a strong gang or organised crime presence. I wonder if that is the same situation here.
I also wonder how much of a role the sisters played - we already know of some shady stuff from the SIL (fake companies, witness intimidation etc) it is hard to believe they didn't have any kind of role in the scams.
I seem to remember Gene taking donations a while back for a handbag company that Barbara and her sister were supposed to be creating - they took money for it and the company never materialised. Like many things it just disappeared from the discussion like it had never existed.
It seems probable to me that the whole quartet are scammers.
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