nivek
As Above So Below
The virus doesn't transfer from person to person via contact on products touched weeks before, it cannot survive on surfaces like that...
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The virus doesn't transfer from person to person via contact on products touched weeks before, it cannot survive on surfaces like that...
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michael59
Celestial
It does not take weeks for any kind of product to go from manufacturer table to store shelf nowadays, Nivek. It can certainly live on produce and meat long enough to make it to store shelf.
JahaRa
Noble
In November 2019 when all those "Plague ship" stories were circulating my brother-in-law's friend came back from Italy after visiting his family and he had the virus, my brother in law got it and was hospitalized but because of all the lies/misinformation/lack of information the doctors could not figure out what was wrong with him. He did recover and he thinks that their last ditch effort to save him assuming it was Valley fever and giving him an anti-fungal medicine while they were waiting for the test to come back to confirm that saved him. (I don't think that makes sense, I think it was him being forced to stay in bed and oxygen that helped him recover) The test came back negative for valley fever and all types of flu and other virus that they had tests for.
Later, after he had recovered the doctor called him and said she believed he had covid 19. Now he is in the hospital again with the Delta variant 19 months after his first hospital stay. This time they know what it is and are treating him with anti-virals.
I remember the news about the U.S. passengers on those ships being allowed to fly home in November and December, while other countries insisted their citizens isolate in what ever country that would take them. That was the first red flag that the Trump administration was handling this thing badly. There were no precautions for those people, and they probably helped spread the virus all over the world before they got home and spread it in the U.S.
nivek
As Above So Below
China was making that claim months ago and it was proven false, the virus cannot live on produce or products in that way...
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nivek
As Above So Below
I was sick and almost died of a viral infection back in March of this year and it was not covid...There are many other viruses unknown to the medical community...The specialists told me this when I was in intensive care and also stared they get about 30 percent or more cases of people falling ill of viruses or infections that they are unfamiliar with and have no answers for...The illness I suffered was classified as a fever and viral infection of unknown origin...
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michael59
Celestial
You know what I missed the most this past Christmas? Those boxes of seedless mandarin oranges. Each orange individually wrapped in tissue paper.
JahaRa
Noble
I know there are a lot of virus that are not identified. My daughter had a respiratory virus in late 2020 that was not covid or the flu or a cold. But the doctor did determine that my brother-in-law had covid 19 when he was hospitalized in Jan 2020. He had been sick since late November. His friend from Italy did know it was Covid because Italy had identified that. I am saying it was ignored in the U.S. for way too many months and then it was mentioned that it started in China, over and over it was blamed on China in a way that is suspicious to me. No one knows where patient zero was.
michael59
Celestial
COVID-19
Common questions
How long does COVID-19 survive on surfaces?
It's not certain how long the COVID-19 virus survives on surfaces and objects, but it seems to behave like other coronaviruses. Research shows that the virus may live on surfaces and objects for a few hours or up to several days depending on:
• the type of surface or object
• environmental factors such as humidity and temperature
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Prevention and risks - Canada.ca.
Common questions
How long does COVID-19 survive on surfaces?
It's not certain how long the COVID-19 virus survives on surfaces and objects, but it seems to behave like other coronaviruses. Research shows that the virus may live on surfaces and objects for a few hours or up to several days depending on:
• the type of surface or object
• environmental factors such as humidity and temperature
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19): Prevention and risks - Canada.ca.
nivek
As Above So Below
The CDC addresses this directly here:
CDC - COVID-19 and Food Safety
(Excerpt)
Currently, there is no evidence to suggest that handling food or consuming food is associated with COVID-19.
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CDC - COVID-19 and Food Safety
(Excerpt)
Currently, there is no evidence to suggest that handling food or consuming food is associated with COVID-19.
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michael59
Celestial
You're referring to after we knew about the pandemic. We were addressing the fact that it was here long before we knew it. Therefore, you or I would not think twice about peeling an orange and eating it without washing the orange. Fingers go right in your mouth when eating an orange that you just peeled with your bare hands. Some, may not consider washing their hands after consuming it depending on how messy it was to eat.
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nivek
As Above So Below
Here's a source:
Fully vaccinated and unvaccinated ‘can both transmit Covid’
People who are fully vaccinated have a similar viral load to the unvaccinated, suggesting both can transmit Covid. New analysis by Public Health England (PHE) found little difference in how much virus was present in people who had been jabbed, leading to fears that the vaccines will not suppress spread as much as hoped.
Scientists believed the jabs would prevent transmission as well as protecting people against the disease by lowering viral replication. Minutes of a Sage meeting from July 22, published on Friday, also show growing concern among government scientists that the delta variant causes a higher viral load than the alpha strain, even after vaccination.
"PCR cycle threshold (Ct) values have decreased as the delta variant has become dominant, which indicates that infected people have higher viral loads which may further increase the force of infection," the minutes say. "This may mean that there is limited vaccine effect against onward transmission for the delta variant."
The Ct value indicates how much amplification a swab needs in order for Covid to be detected – the fewer the amount of cycles, the more virus is present. PHE figures show that it took 17.8 cycles on average to detect the virus in unvaccinated people compared to 18 for the vaccinated.
"This means that whilst vaccination may reduce an individual's overall risk of becoming infected, once they are infected there is limited difference in viral load (and Ct values) between those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated," said the PHE report.
However, other experts said that the same viral load in unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals did not necessarily mean that they were equally infections.
Dr Muge Cevik, a clinical lecturer in infectious diseases and medical virology at St Andrews, said: "Even if viral load may be the same, vaccinated people who become infected are less likely to be infectious than unvaccinated because vaccines reduce virus shedding time, symptomatic infection, and the presence of immune response will suppress the viable virus."
Dr Meaghan Kall, an epidemiologist at PHE, also said the viral load figures may not be transferable to the general vaccinated population because the data was looking at people who had an unusual infection after the jab.
"Vaccines prevent many infections from occurring in the first place, so we can only compare vaccine 'breakthrough infections' versus unvaccinated infection," she said.
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Standingstones
Celestial
I had a doctor’s appointment today so this was the first time in many months I had to wear a mask. I can tell you that I haven’t missed this experience. Just when I thought we were in the clear and now the Delta variant crops up!!
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Admittedly a poor choice of words on my part. I do have a point behind this, it isn't just knee jerk but I must say - I am sooooooo fucking sick of all of this I could scream. And I still have to go wade through an ocean of people all day.
nivek
As Above So Below
Yeah but it seems you were correct though, at least with the Delta Indian variant it appears that both vaccinated and unvaccinated, if infected, can spread it to others fairly easily...This Delta Indian variant is unique...
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nivek
As Above So Below
Apologies for the delay reply, this thread The True Origin of SARS‑CoV‑2 (Covid-19) contains reports which seem to point to evidence that SARS-CoV-2 could not have developed into its current form naturally, so some type of modification or enhancement must have taken place and it must have been the Chinese who made these modifications since it is their research laboratory in Wuhan...Unless some other data comes up in the future which can show evidence of another source for SARS-CoV-2 then the blame can be directed solely at China...Its even possible China was working with other elements or groups outside their country in the shadows, but so far no evidence supports this...If China wanted to cause a global economic upheaval I don't think it needs to be a global conspiracy, the Chinese Communist government could do what it wanted in spite of anyone else in the world...
So yes I am of the opinion this could very well be a deliberate release but its still possible it could have been accidental, and even if accidental the Chinese government was extremely sloppy in isolating the virus from spreading around the world...Mainly from their cover-up attempts early on...
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nivek
As Above So Below
So according to this, the only difference between being vaccinated and unvaccinated is that vaccinated people are not likely to have serious issues requiring hospitalization and are not likely to die from Covid-19, anyone vaccinated or not can spread the virus if infected...Of course there are minimal exceptions to that but generally speaking being vaccinated will help save your life if exposed to Covid-19...
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michael59
Celestial
Do you believe it?
The majority of people don't die when exposed to Covid-19. Are you going to get whatever shot they decide you need whenever they say you need it?
My sister gets the flu shot every year and she is sick for days afterwards. The flu only lasts a couple of days, so why bother?
I have never had a flu shot and yet I don't get the flu.
I'm not addressing you specifically, Nivek. This is for whomever reads it.
nivek
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Do I believe what in particular?...
True, but how can one be sure he or she are one of those who will not die?...Its like playing Russian roulette but with a vaccination the odds are better in your favour...
No I would never but we are not in that situation in the United States, we have a choice and I chose what vaccine I preferred and was able to get it...If I didn't have a choice or the choices were of those which I did not want I would not get it...
I have never gotten a flu shot and never will and I've had the flu only once in the last twenty-five years...The flu is different than Covid though and Covid was likely engineered, not naturally occurring, so in the long run we don't know how this will play out...Perhaps in time Covid will be in line with how the flu is now, but currently Covid is a bigger problem than the flu...
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