How is The Coronavirus affecting your life?

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  1. wwkirk

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    I don't know whether there are actually anti-hoarding laws on the books. In any case, I'm sure he'll be reimbursed at "fair market value."
     
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  2. nivek

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    Wouldn't this be considered or covered by a similar action that occurred during the Second World War, sacrificing for the common good?...

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    Sacrificing for the Common Good: Rationing in WWII

    During the Second World War, Americans were asked to make sacrifices in many ways. Rationing was not only one of those ways, but it was a way Americans contributed to the war effort.

    When the United States declared war after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the United States government created a system of rationing, limiting the amount of certain goods that a person could purchase. Supplies such as gasoline, butter, sugar and canned milk were rationed because they needed to be diverted to the war effort. War also disrupted trade, limiting the availability of some goods. For example, the Japanese Imperial Army controlled the Dutch East Indies (today’s Indonesia) from March 1942 to September 1945, creating a shortage of rubber that affected American production.

    On August 28, 1941, President Roosevelt’s Executive Order 8875 created the Office of Price Administration (OPA). The OPA’s main responsibility was to place a ceiling on prices of most goods, and to limit consumption by rationing.

    Americans received their first ration cards in May 1942. The first card, War Ration Card Number One, became known as the “Sugar Book,” for one of the commodities Americans could purchase with their ration card. Other ration cards developed as the war progressed. Ration cards included stamps with drawings of airplanes, guns, tanks, aircraft, ears of wheat and fruit, which were used to purchase rationed items.

    The OPA rationed automobiles, tires, gasoline, fuel oil, coal, firewood, nylon, silk, and shoes. Americans used their ration cards and stamps to take their meager share of household staples including meat, dairy, coffee, dried fruits, jams, jellies, lard, shortening, and oils.

    Americans learned, as they did during the Great Depression, to do without. Sacrificing certain items during the war became the norm for most Americans. It was considered a common good for the war effort, and it affected every American household.

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  3. Shadowprophet

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    I mean, Maybe, But to me, this is a scary concept, See, I agree about the medical supplies, But I collect gold and silver, So, Let's say war breaks out and the U.S needs to start confiscating all my gold and silver. It's taken me a lifetime to acquire the amount I have. To imagine that some government goof could just come to my house and literally take it. Siting, It's for the common good, Well, nobody chipped in and bought this stuff for me. I had to order it and acquire it through trades and it's gold and silver so, It wasn't cheap.

    I don't admire the idea that one can make something a business or spend their lives collecting something and somebody, Hell anybody can just walk in and flash some papers and some government common good humdrum line and just take my shit.

    I'd be literally so mad if that happened, My dad said it's happened once before, That once upon a time the government did take peoples gold

    What's fair is fair, If one of us was dying, Would the U.S government pay for a new lung transplant for us? So, Them motherfuckers can't have my gold No matter what line they throw at me, And you guys can say, Well shadow they sure can, cause they have the power to take it.

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  4. AD1184

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    The article here linked from the video description goes into further detail on this case:

    Medical supplies seized from alleged price gouger to be distributed to hospitals

    Apparently it is a crime to lie to federal investigators in the United States:

    18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally
    916. False Statements to a Federal Investigator
    Is It a Crime To Lie to the Government Even If You Are Not Under Oath?: MoloLamken LLP (ML)
    https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4688&context=uclrev

    His supplies were confiscated as evidence in relation to the charges against him and then re-distributed under emergency powers, indicating that his was the authorities' aim. The charges against him could therefore be phony and made up as a pretext so as to get hold of the supplies he had.
     
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  5. nivek

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    I have no problem with any of that, considering the situation the authorities did the right thing in redistributing the much needed medical supplies...

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  6. Shadowprophet

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    Possibly so, My whims and perceptions on things strongly depend on my moods, They pissed off one guy to save countless others. Moods affect the way I see things. I don't know if it's that way with everyone, It is so with me. After a good night's rest, the whole situation looks different. This man was holding human life hostage to the highest bidder. So It's not like they took these items from an upstanding moral individual. And that counts for something.
     
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  7. nivek

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    @Ray good to see you here again, I was thinking about you, not sure what part of Italy you reside, but glad you're safe...

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    Italians Hang Food Baskets From Balconies To Help The Homeless
    The "Panaro solidale" initiative has earned a lot of praise on social media

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    Amid a nation-wide lockdown to prevent the spread of coronavirus, Italians are lowering baskets of food from their balconies to help those who are struggling. According to The Guardian, people in Naples have been filling bread baskets with food items like pasta, tomatoes and legumes and hanging them from their balconies, inviting the poor and the homeless to take what they need.

    A Twitter user shared photos of the baskets along with a translation of the sign that accompanies them. The sign reads: "If you can, put something inside. If you can't, take something"



    According to the local reports, the initiative, known as "Panaro solidale", was started by a man named Angelo Picone.

    "It was spontaneous. Solidarity comes naturally to us. I always do these things with associations in the neighborhood and since we have to stay at home now, we do it from home too," Mr Picone said to Askanews.

    He said that the initiative began when he shared a meal with a homeless person who could not find food, as the coronavirus epidemic has closed canteens. It began to grow as people in the neighbourhood began to participate too.

    "This is true solidarity, not only to shut yourself up at home and think about protecting yourself, but also to think about others," he said. On social media, the Panaro solidale initiative has earned a lot of praise.

    "Proud of my city, in time of need their generosity is monumental," wrote one Twitter user. "That's just cheered me up no end," said another.

    Italy has been the worst-hit European country by the coronavirus crisis. At least 13,000 people have died of coronavirus in the country.


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  8. nivek

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    The technology I'm currently employing for the protection of myself from this dangerous virus is as follows, I should note I found it interesting I had already acquired these devices over a few years previously to the current pandemic...

    A respirator using P100 cartridges similar to this one, which I've had for a couple years now with spare cartridges, I wear this respirator anytime I am in public around other people and at work:

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    A Dr. Hulda Clark based Autozap-5 parasite zapper I purchased about 8 years ago or longer, I use it every day now with either the wrist bands or copper rods:

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    Also I have a Zadro ultraviolet disinfectant wand just like this one I purchased about 8 years ago as well, I used it irregularly before, now it's employed every day on my laptop keyboard, cell phone, pillows, etc.

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  9. Sheltie

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    The thing I've been hearing more and more about the corona virus is that it's actually less dangerous for healthy people than the regular flu. The real threat is in the fact that it's significantly more contagious than any other strain we've experienced in modern times.
     
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  10. spacecase0

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    I expect anyone looking for any of the items now are going to be like the person I saw earlier today at the grocery store,
    she was asking someone where you buy a face mask...
    clearly had no idea that you really can't right now
    at least where I live, if you did not have something quite a while ago, you are likely not getting it.
     
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  11. nivek

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    That didn't quite occur to me, I figured if something like the above items could be gotten without much trouble but further pondering I can see the suppliers being shut down and not able to fill orders, but that being the case they should not allow their websites of collect payment if they cannot fill the orders...

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  12. wwkirk

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    eBay doesn't appear to be a reliable source for face masks at this time. (Though they did refund my money.)
    I just placed an order with Amazon. Hopefully, it will work out. In general, they seem to have better control over their vendors that some other marketplaces.
     
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  13. nivek

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    I wonder about other things like the Clark zapper for instance, I looked at the sites selling them and they seem readily available to purchase and have promptly shipped to you unless there is no one filling the orders on the other end...I think it's a highly effective tool and there are plans online for making one yourself, I have another one in my workshop I built from the specs acquired online...I changed the design when I built it allowing me to manually dial in a particular frequency if I wanted verses the 300 device I originally bought which doesn't have that option...

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  14. wwkirk

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    How has your experience with it been?
     
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  15. nivek

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    It does work and does help, in the past when I've been exposed to someone with a cold or flu I have used it but I've used it in the past sporadically, sometimes I would put it away after not needing it for some time and forget about it lol...Now though, ever since this coronavirus debacle, I keep it out all the time for quick use if I need it...

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  16. wwkirk

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    Do you aim it, or is it some kind of field?
     
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  17. nivek

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    No, the probes must be connected to your body in some way, I have two 6 inch long copper tubes I wrap with a lightly moistened paper towel and hold in my hands or I use the yellow wrist bands as shown in the image above, those also moistened lightly with water to help conductivity...

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  18. nivek

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    I've been reading about this storage of toilet paper, of all things, mainly because as I was searching for other information I would see information about toilet paper shortages randomly tucked in the search results, so I would randomly read some of them...I've come to the conclusion, a conclusion which an article I read early this morning also insinuated, that the shortage has nothing to do with the alleged hording we've heard so much about, its about jobs...Millions of people are not working but instead they are home 90 percent or more of their time, that is the problem and why we see the toilet paper shelves empty...

    Businesses like Georgia Pacific who supply toilet paper divide the toilet paper into two routes, residential and commercial, and the commercial path of their toilet paper commerce is set up to capture a much higher percentage of volume than residential sales...Also they said the residential toilet paper has much more new fiber content than the commercial which has significantly more fiber but in a pinch I'm sure no residential home would complain about using commercial grade paper...

    So now with millions at home the residential demand for toilet paper went up over 60% and the commercial demand dropped down because of people staying at home now, they aren't shyting at work, companies aren't buying toilet paper so commercial supplies are in abundance and residential is trying to keep up...They said there isn't a fast way of switching gears to meet sudden demand changes, it takes time to set up new deals, contracts, agreements and start moving product into a different direction, I can understand that to a certain degree, I assume we will be seeing more and more toilet paper on the shelves as the month of April rolls on lol...

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  20. pigfarmer

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    Yes, but like the 1918 pandemic there are many surface similarities. Beyond that, different time, place, culture, population, methods of communication and travel, attitudes toward government, and a preceding decade or privation.
    A harbor full of burning ships or a smoking pile of rubble make points that virtually all of us could rally around. A plague - the 'invisible enemy' - not so much. You ask 10 people at random about this and you'll get 10 different answers.
     

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