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Thank you.Even though I am trying "valiantly" to nail your arse to the wall, I second that. Welcome CB, this place just got better for your presence here Anyway, back to the Fued
Likewise.
Thank you.Even though I am trying "valiantly" to nail your arse to the wall, I second that. Welcome CB, this place just got better for your presence here Anyway, back to the Fued
Nope, Never said that anywhere, didn't even imply it.Ah, I see, we have a viewpoint problem.
You assume everyone are irresponsible criminals who must be prevented by law from having anything dangerous since they might misuse it.
Nope never said that either, but while where on that, Ill screenshot this for convenience.You assume the police who are 15 minutes away can protect you via forcefields from someone with a gun in your face and a bullet milliseconds from your forehead.
Lol, your version of the real world you meanIn your reality your viewpoint might make sense.
To those of us in the real world it doesn't.
Isnt that noble, your gun deaths seems to support the notion that your expectations are optimistic at best.In America we believe gun ownership is a right and expect people to act responsibly.
OK so Oztrailians...really, I could call you an Aussie term, Septic Tank = YankPerhaps Oztralians really are criminals and cannot be expected to act responsibly.
We have a bit of racism happening there CB. bit sad but each to there own.If you kicked out the black people (responsible for over 1/2 of the murders) we would rival Canadia and be ahead of Chile. Most black murders are for "professional" reasons (crime/drugs/gangs).
Pardon me? where did I insist the US is in Europe? As for a comparison, its all in the numbers. To which you cling to the wrong ones so desperately. I will reiterate the important ones at the end "Again" since you seem to "Again" miss the point.In white areas homicide is no worse than Canada. Which is the best on the two American continents. You keep insisting that the US is in Europe and should be compared to European countries. It isn't, I checked the map.
The US homicide rate has been going down steadily and is at 1950s levels while the number of guns is setting records unprecedented in the history of the planet. There is about 0.0000008 rifle murders annually for each person in the US. More than twice as many people die from autoerotic asphyxiation as die from rifle bullets. About 5 times as many people die from cutting weapons and significantly more people are killed by blunt objects. Twice as many people are killed by fists and other body parts.
The facts don't support your view. But that won't stop you since it hasn't in the past.
Nope, Never said that anywhere, didn't even imply it.
Nope never said that either, but while where on that, Ill screenshot this for convenience.
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That's a bucket load of guns,
Compared to Australia
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Which has way stricter laws
So I am far more likely to have said gun pointed at me in the US than here. Not something I think many, if any Australian thinks about. Just almost never happens here.
Lol, your version of the real world you mean
Isnt that noble, your gun deaths seems to support the notion that your expectations are optimistic at best.
OK so Oztrailians...really, I could call you an Aussie term, Septic Tank = Yank
We down to disparaging by race, oh wait, you've already done that to your own countrymen earlier by identifying... hang on let me quote you, wouldn't want to be inaccurate now.
We have a bit of racism happening there CB. bit sad but each to there own.
Pardon me? where did I insist the US is in Europe? As for a comparison, its all in the numbers. To which you cling to the wrong ones so desperately. I will reiterate the important ones at the end "Again" since you seem to "Again" miss the point.
Ok so this last bit you sais is utterly meaningless for the argument I am trying to make, and last I checked a person who is inclined to like autoerotic asphyxiation cant in a fit of rage autoerotically asphyxiate a school full of little kids, or 600 concert goers if they were to become unhinged.
Please try and stay on topic here, I know your not an Oztralian, but I will keep it simple for you.
Here is My point, so try and address this one after you get through your next round of irrelevant coments.
In the US I am sure we can at least agree on a couple of points.
Your laws regarding who can own guns are laxer than Oztralia,
Your laws regarding what types of guns you can own are laxer than Oztralia,
The availability, and likelihood of the person living next door to you owning a gun is higher than Oztralia
And here is a big one for me, with those US folks with guns, look at these numbers
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Guns in the Family: Firearm Storage Patterns in U.S. Homes with Children
US laws on safe storage are either non existant, or not enforced, not sure which.
Now compare this to us Oztralians.
We have very strict gun laws, over here you have to store your Ammunition and firearms in seperate locked areas, and, get this, if I have a gun safe with my guns in the bottom and my ammunition in the top seperate locked and keyed section, but I leave the ammunition in a magazine. It is a breech of the firearms act.
In Australia the only people who can own semi automatic weapons are professional hunters and these numbers are very few. We can easy enough own high powered rifles, but all magazine loaded, and bolt or lever action.
It is extremely unlikely you will find anything really able to do the kind of damage we regularly see in the US
Hand Guns are effectively illegal to own unless you are a registered collector, or a member of a shooting club.
Very few Aussies own handguns of any sort, those that do are very very well policed.
So here is the bit in particular I would like you to address properly. Given the comparison, and assuming most people in both our countries are responsible and unlikely to go on a rampage.
If you or I in our own respective countries did for whatever reason lose the plot, and go nuts.
Your Gun laws are going to make it far easier for you to commit a mass killing like we so often see. Where dozens or more people are killed.
In Australia who has these strict laws, we have not had a mass killing since Martin Bryan in 1996.
Yes we have gun crimes, yes we have murders. But the facility for a mass killing like Las Vegas just does not exist in Australia.
This is my argument, in my opinion all your other statistics are meaningless when it comes to protecting your people from the irresponsible or the crazy.
Again I will say my argument is about access to guns, and the types of guns you can have.
To quote from the above link....
Many children in the United States have access to firearms in their homes, and the consequences can be tragic. Recent headlines tell a sad and increasingly familiar story: "Boy charged with attempted murder in shooting of 14-year-old girl," "Boy, 4, shot by 6-year-old," "Just a routine school shooting...." Public health agencies, organizations representing children, and groups representing firearm owners offer consistent guidelines about how to store firearms to make them inaccessible to children: unload them, lock them up, and store them separately from ammunition. However, a RAND analysis of data regarding firearm ownership and storage patterns found that of the families in the United States with children and firearms, fewer than half store their firearms unloaded, locked, and away from ammunition.
Guns in the Family: Firearm Storage Patterns in U.S. Homes with Children
Is this what you consider responsible gun ownership in the US, where less than half of gun owners don't even keep there guns in a safe place away from kids?
Our gun laws in Australia simply prevent this from happening. No that's not true, it hardly ever happens, we have careless people too. But our regulations are strict, and regularly enforced.
This is the point I am making.
Is this what you consider responsible gun ownership in the US, where less than half of gun owners don't even keep there guns in a safe place away from kids?
Perhaps you aren't raising your kids properly.Shooting a gun and killing something isn't a basic of life. Maybe a hundred years ago but not now. And you seriously would never think of putting a gun away so kids can't get at It? The hell is wrong with you?
Im not raising my kids properly because I don't want then stumbling into a loaded weapon? Again, what in the literal fuck is wrong with you?
Im not raising my kids properly because I don't want then stumbling into a loaded weapon?
Ah, your children are clumsy. I understand your reticence. Mine aren't.
My daughter likes to play with firearms.
Obviously nothing is wrong with me.
As far as you are concerned, I don't know you well enough to offer a diagnosis.
You are welcome.So you want to insult my parenting skills and my kids now? Fuck you buddy.
My daughter likes to play with firearms.
Obviously nothing is wrong with me.
These 2 sentences look a bit funny when placed so near eachothers... How do you mean ?
My daughter likes guns.
I used to take her to the range when she was little.
The other part was: I was responding to some criticism that I didn't understand and/or agree with.
As a side note: there is nothing hotter than women and firearms
You are welcome.
When you want to return to rational discussion let me know.
Return to rational discussion? There isn't anything rational about letting a small child play with firearms. That isn't going to get you a father of the year award it's going to get you a horrible parent award. I don't know how old your daughter is but my son is 3 and I'll be damned if I keep a loaded weapon where he can find it.
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Hey CB, you going to answer my questions in post #114 or you done here, just so I know
Cheers
Um ok confused now, I had 3 questions in 114, if your done with the thread that's fine. I was just interested to clarify your thoughtsWell, yeah my dad did.
We knew he would whip our ass if we misused a gun so it was never an issue.
1. Sure.Um ok confused now, I had 3 questions in 114, if your done with the thread that's fine. I was just interested to clarify your thoughts
So hypothetically a visitor, or visitors kids, or one of your kids friends, who perhaps has no interest or background or training in guns could pick it up. You don't think unsecured weapons are a risk obviously. But why is this any different for example for me not securing say an huge excavation for a building site that may have a big hole. This puts others at risk and is my responsibility to secure. You say you are a responsible gun owner, I find it hard to understand how unsecured loaded weopans are not a danger.1. Sure.
Wow, I don't even know how to respond to that one.2. Nope. It does strongly correlate with the expulsion of Conservatives from psychiatry and resulting horrible increase in anti-depressant use. About 33 million Americans are on progressive prescribed anti-depressants. Psychiatry is dominated by progressives. They are crazy and it is contagious. If we banned progressives from the psychiatric field it would almost eliminate mass killings.
Yes but that is unrelated to the fact that we have not had a mass shooting since 1996, because it is very very difficult in Australia for the average non gun licensed person to even gain access to a gun, let alone something capable of killings of the nature we see in the US. Of course criminals will always have access to guns, I agree. But a lot of your mass killings are from just normal folks who lose the plot and have an environment like it appears your house is where they can just go grab an unsecured gun and boom.3. Americans commit more non-gun homicides than Oztralians do homicides period. They have twice as many auto accidents. They have about twice as many fatal (non-auto) accidents.
They are two wildly different countries.