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As Above So Below
You even missed the point of me posting the meme, the whole point was it is meaningless.
Actually you missed the point of my meme post, it was totally meaningless and just a poke lol...A bit of tasteless humour lol...
You even missed the point of me posting the meme, the whole point was it is meaningless.
OK Sorry,Actually you missed the point of my meme post, it was totally meaningless and just a poke lol...A bit of tasteless humour lol...
Now you see how you are?I just don't get the nastiness of you all, It is no wonder you run around shooting each other.
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A lot of people take Valium CB, and have a drink or two, they don't all go nut so with a Machine gun. So I hardly think you can use this as a cause or even a contributing factor.Las Vegas shooter's laptop was missing its hard drive | Daily Mail Online
Paddock not only took valium but started drinking recently.
Part of what has stymied the investigation is he removed the hard drive from his laptop and it hasn't been located.
Never let rational thought get in the way of a good fight hey.
See what I mean, all that matters is the fight and the sarcasm. If you don't give a shit about what others think, why not just start a Blog or a twitter feed where you get to talk and not care what others think. That way you can sprout all your agro biased bullshit and not have to even care what others think."Maybe your right - Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun!
See what I mean, all that matters is the fight and the sarcasm. If you don't give a shit about what others think, why not just start a Blog or a twitter feed where you get to talk and not care what others think. That way you can sprout all your agro biased bullshit and not have to even care what others think.
A lot of people take Valium CB, and have a drink or two, they don't all go nut so with a Machine gun. So I hardly think you can use this as a cause or even a contributing factor.
Have you ever suffered from depression CB,? what are you suggesting, people don't take medication where needed?You keep saying stuff like this as though it was true.
Anti-depressants cause suicidal idealization in a small percentage of patients.
It is 3% or more depending on the drug.
We have 33 million Americans on them
Valium (diazepam) Uses, Dosage, Side Effects - Drugs.com
Side Effects:
If we have 1 million Americans with suicidal idealization, some of them are going to want to bring friends along on the ride.
- confusion, hallucinations, unusual thoughts or behavior;
- unusual risk-taking behavior, decreased inhibitions, no fear of danger;
- depressed mood, thoughts of suicide or hurting yourself;
- hyperactivity, agitation, aggression, hostility;
- new or worsening seizures;
- weak or shallow breathing, a feeling like you might pass out;
- muscle twitching, tremor;
- loss of bladder control; or
- little or no urinating.
You are one of these "correlation is causation" types.
For you this should be "case closed".
But again, I caution: Paddock is such an extreme oddity that it is hard to use him to make a case for anything.
His behavior is more like an assassin's than anything else. He deliberately covered his trail.
I'm sorry mate, in my opinion your as mad as a snake. And as blind as a bat.Have you tried psychiatry? - We can't help you here. - I'm glad they make you keep your guns locked up.
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Mandalay Bay Hotel Was a “Gun Free Zone”
The screencap above tells the tale: the hotel from which spree killer Stephen Paddock fired on a crowd of 22 thousand concert-goers was a “gun free zone.” The question of whether or not any hotel staff detected any of the 23 firearms in Mr. Paddock’s room takes on new urgency.And while those calling for civilian disarmament in the wake of this horrific attack will ignore this fact, it’s more evidence, if evidence be needed, that gun control doesn’t work."
Quote source:
Mandalay Bay Hotel Was a "Gun Free Zone" - The Truth About Guns
I'm sorry mate, in my opinion your as mad as a snake. And as blind as a bat.
There is nothing more to say to you. Your opinion is laughable.
I can't believe I have to have this conversation, I think you are both quite mad!!"Sigh" more of this from you.
If all the shootings occur in gun free zones (which there aren't a lot of) the solution is to make gun free zones illegal.
I can't believe I have to have this conversation, I think you are both quite mad!!
Last try, after this, I just plain and simple give up. Please, just this once, try and stay with what I am saying and address it directly. Just this once if you can.
I am going to present 3 hypothetical scenarios to you for your consideration, see if you can follow, and tell me where I am wrong with MY SCENARIOS.
Forget figures, we both know we can hunt up numbers to support any position.
Forget laws and rights as gun owners, forget Wyatt, Doc and the Oztralian, just consider only my 3 hypothetical situations. Please, just this once try and stay on topic.
1. Planet X has 10,000 people on it 1000 are armed criminals who will always have guns because criminals will always find a way. However, you and I are the only people other than the criminals out of all the people that have guns.
In My house, they are locked and secured as per my previous description. Also as per Australian gun laws, my guns are fairly tame.
Your house has loaded guns lying unsecured, ammunition unsecured, and guns such as semi autos, as per your previous descriptions.
Something unforeseen happens, we each have a break in, a family member goes mad or whatever.
Given our situations, whose house is more likely to provide a means for a single, multiple of mass shooting?
Yours or mine?
So common sense says in scenario 1. Gun control will work not work well, but my house is safer. You cant argue with that.
2. Planet Y is now the same, but everyone can have guns, we still have the 1000 always armed criminal, but everyone can have guns, but, some neighborhoods have strict gun laws, like here in OZ, some neighborhoods have relaxed gun laws like in the US.
Because the laws are inconsistent, people can just go where they need to get guns, they can ship them, buy and sell them, transport them. So, planet Y has gun laws that do not work, because they are just too easy to get around because they are not consistent across the planet, and don't apply to every one. This in my opinion is the US and why you say it wont work. I agree with you, in the US, this type of thing wont work.
3. Planet Z has the same population as X and Y, still has its 1000 ever armed criminals, but has consistent planet wide strict gun laws like Australia, no exceptions. Every single gun owner in every neighborhood must adhere to the strict storage and ownership laws. On this planet, gun laws work because there are No exceptions, and no guns lying around.
My Conclusion, and please tell me where I am wrong.
Planets X, will always have 1000 armed criminals with the possibility of 1001 if your house is broken into and your unsecured semi autos stolen or used by a crazed family member.
Planet Y, will always have 1000 armed criminals, plus an abundance of easily obtainable guns for other new criminals, crazed family members, angry husbands and wives, so you have an uncontrollable situation because the gun laws are strict in some places, not others and thus unenforceable.
Planet Z will have 1000 armed criminals, and 9000 people subject to very strict, controlled and policed gun laws. Guns are not easily stolen, and are safely stored. All owners are screened and taught. Planet Z is the safest environment. This Is Australia
Now please remember I am not talking about your rights as Americans, or your constitutional laws.
just and only just 3 hypothetical planets without politics, Planets X, Y, and Z.
Tell me where my thinking is wrong.
Gun laws on planet Z work the best.
Any law will only work if it is applied consistently, you and Doc take your figures from scenarios that are all true and valid, but have no meaningful relevance because your gun laws and no gun zones are ineffectual becus you all live on planet Y.
Please don't throw me more numbers, or some stupid insult about Australians being untrustworthy with guns, just stick to my examples. Just this once.
See what I mean CB, you are incapable of addressing the question.Well...
There is a break-in.
1. You have to go to where your gun is, which might take you right past the trespasser(s).
2. You then have to fumble around with the lock to the gun, alerting him to your presence, if you didn't already by stumbling through your home.
3. You then have to fumble around with the lock to your ammunition, alerting him to your presence if you didn't in steps 1 & 2.
4. You then have to slam the clip home, alerting him to your presence if you didn't in steps 1 & 2 & 3.
5. You then have to chamber a round, alerting him to your presence if you didn't in steps 1 & 2 & 3 & 4.
6. You then click off the safety and if you aren't dead already you are ready to face an intruder, having totally ignored the intruder(s) for several minutes while you desperately tried to arm yourself.
I on the other hand:
1. Grab my piece and a second clip.
2. Lie in wait until I determine the location and number of intruders.
3. Click off the safety.
4. Blaze away with a full clip. Actually I would put three rounds into each assailant then fairly distribute the remaining rounds.
5. Reload and go to check for signs of life, or continue blazing away if there is still movement.
Now, who is more likely to survive this encounter with hostile intruders?
I can't believe I have to have this conversation, I think you are both quite mad!!
Answer the bloody questions as posed of stop having a go at me
See what I mean CB, you are incapable of addressing the question.
Answer the bloody questions as posed of stop having a go at me, what is the point of a conversation where you refuse to answer anything I say.
You said gun control is ineffective, I answer that, so your response is a home defense situation.
See why this is pointless, answer my questions as posed or bloody leave me alone.
Oh for god sake, OK. Lets play it your way. I will directly answer your points above, in turn, no sidestepping, nothing. But in response, may I ask you address my 3 hypothetical situations, exactly as described...........................................
And talking about not answering questions that you pose - I'm still waiting for your response to this:
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Now tell me something - If someone was trying to break into your home, actually succeeded in breaking in the door, or was found inside of your home, could you legally shoot them? And if it appears there may be a prowler on your property could you unlock you gun and have it ready for self defense?
Another words in the US self defense shooting can be justified but each state and jurisdiction has different rules and laws as to when you could use a firearm for self defense. Can a gun be used legally for self defense in Australia?
And from what I gather from what you have said - You can not own a handgun, which is usually the best self defense weapon - This does not fly in the US - Recent Supreme Court rulings have overturned laws that outlawed handguns in some areas.
Another thing, what all the statistics DON'T TELL YOU is a fact which the gun lobbyist of the NRA are quick to point out - and have documented - there are hundreds, if not thousands of cases every year in the US {and probably elsewhere} where brandishing, or showing a gun, has stopped the perpetuation of a crime before it takes place - Not having a gun allowed the crime to proceed. Didn't they first try a complete gun ban in Australia - And didn't that backfire leading to your current law? Last time I did the research,
home invasions in Britain went way up as Britain restricts all personal gun ownership..........."
As my understanding of Australian gun laws goes, No i cannot legally shoot them. I am not an expert but I am pretty sure there is NO provision for self defense in Australian Gun ownership. To take that one step further that no doubt will make you think we are mad here. I stated earlier about me being a security guard in a previous job, and the fact I refused to carry a 38. If my memory serves correctly, If I had chosen to carry a pistol, and through defense of robbery had to use it, Australian laws regarding shooting someone are so strict, that it is probably easier to get into the Chinese Space program as the Dalai Llamas gay black transsexual alien little brother. In short, NO we as Australian citizens, in my understanding are almost never for any reason allowed to shoot another human being as a private citizen, and those allowed to do so have more trouble than its worth if they have to do so.Now tell me something - If someone was trying to break into your home, actually succeeded in breaking in the door, or was found inside of your home, could you legally shoot them? And if it appears there may be a prowler on your property could you unlock you gun and have it ready for self defense?
Ok I think I covered the first bit above, our gun laws vary a little bit from state to state, but in essence I am pretty confident a private citizen cannot shoot another person even in self defense. But, I am happy to be corrected if i am wrong. As for Pistol ownership, I refer you to the following link, I live in Victoria but I am pretty sure that our licensing is pretty uniform across AustraliaAnother words in the US self defense shooting can be justified but each state and jurisdiction has different rules and laws as to when you could use a firearm for self defense. Can a gun be used legally for self defense in Australia?
And from what I gather from what you have said - You can not own a handgun, which is usually the best self defense weapon - This does not fly in the US - Recent Supreme Court rulings have overturned laws that outlawed handguns in some areas.
I think I have covered this, but my understanding is NO, I am not allowed to shoot them. My understanding is that guns in Australia in the hands of private citizens are to be used for Sport, Hunting, Collecting, or target shooting, such as a Pistol Club, or Clay Pigeons, But If there are other Aussies reading this that know better I am happy to be corrected. Self defense is not included as a reason to own a gun in Australia as far as I am aware.Now tell me something - If someone was trying to break into your home, actually succeeded in breaking in the door, or was found inside of your home, could you legally shoot them? And if it appears there may be a prowler on your property could you unlock you gun and have it ready for self defense?