Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by notdej, Aug 18, 2017.
^Yes...what thesis is that...?
Actually the XB70 and MiG25 were faster than the F106 as well......and it was also slower than 3 other interceptors considered for production.
What these two said.....and I was just wanted to know who is supporting this alleged thesis too.
Well....from what I know of notdej from several forums....;his 'thesis' is that there is nothing to the ufo phenomenon at all...period, end of thesis.
Probably.....but an answer would still be good.
Also the Lockheed F105 was faster as well.
That's a large blanket you unfold here, and would have a generous level of implications if your statement were true, the mathematical probability doesn't stay afloat...There are always going to be some who see it's for what it is without fantasizing mixing in...
Agreed. Interpretation of everything we see is subject to fantasy, to some degree. It is the way humans are... we are more creative, than factual, by nature... we must organize facts and write them down.
Sometimes we build monuments to help us symbolize ideals for a time, but then monuments become subject to fantasy, interpretations, and when the interpretation becomes more negative, the monuments are removed...
Personally I think the more a story is told the more its likely to become fantasy......like Roswell and Rendleshem forest.
I've noticed lately that some monuments that have been removed began as a fantasy and have been removed when the real story came out.
In the time these statues were erected, they were considered great leaders... These people... had one or two things they stood for that are now so unacceptable by today's perspective.... well, it is all that matters now... forget any of the good things they may have done, because we dont like the fact that a country was at civil war, and it could have gone the other way... Glad it didn't.
Todays reasoning is that by taking down the statues, we have taken step forward... and this action is a symbol of our time and today's interpretation of the facts...
The truth is in the middle... but ignoring the other facts doesnt matter to the state of mind we are in now...
What matters to the majority is how we symbolize to ourselves that which was never acceptable and true.
I wouldnt want a monument of hitler in my neighborhood...
So I completely understand...
The point is that these things are real to us, but the strength of the feelings, are based on perceptions of what these these monuments mean today, not what they meant then...
The thing is the monuments were not put up for the good things they did....and now it appears people realize the hate that they stand for.
Really? NO... THE Haters, refered to them as an excuse to hate... they twisted the meaning...
Personally I don't support the cause of white supremacy which is what they fought for.....which are a formally a hate group these days.
I do not think White Supremacy is what they stood for. They killed several of their own race in a cival war to protect their wealth... It was always about greed, not hatred.
The truth is, these were important figures in history during their time...
One of the the things they stood for, was doomed to fail in the long term... it was a lost cause... and somehow that one thing is the only thing that people define them by.
But to lump them all in as haters is incorrect. They were greedy, and they were dedicated to protecting their great wealth... What they did in battle was no worse than the huge loss of life incuurred from the opposing side, who are still heralded as heros, but in opposition, equally greedy in the plans of their own...
TheWhite Supremacy thing was a sound bite used to get uneducated people to help fight for their cause... on both sides... so the whole thing was stupid... Slavery never should have existed at all, and for a war to be fought, and for a fight to continue about it today, seems rediculous to me...
Wiping out monuments will not change what happened, and it does not serve anything but to continue an US vs THEM mentality.
Why are we still debating that? We have had a majority in favor of equality as far as the Presidency... when will it be over?
Anyway.. . I did not mean to change the direction of this thread.
My intention was to serve the point that perception is not really truth...
And again, I agree that fantasy is often how facts get twisted for current desires and causes that do not resemble the old ones very much.
Fantasy always has been, and continues to be more powerful than truth.
Another example is the Salem witch trials... oh my!
Well we can blame the confederacy for the civil war....they seceded with was against the constitution. They fired on a Federal resupply ship on January 9, 1861 and they raised an army of 100,000 soldiers in February 1861. On March 21, 1861 the confederate vice-president stated that there government was based on slavery because due to their supremacy over the blacks that slavery was a natural and normal condition.
I'm glad they weren't good enough to defeat the cause of preserving the union and ending slavery......but defending slavery is what people like Davis and Lee had done. Down south their monuments commemorate their confederate service.....and they were erected by the notion of the lost cause of white supremacy.
Yes the war was terrible.....and as I said we can blame that on the confederacy. People like Lincoln and Grant were heroes because they helped save the country and Sherman helped end the war sooner.....where as Lee and Davis tried to rip it apart.
No removing the monuments won't change what happened at all.....the history is and always will be there for everyone to see.
The white supremacists of today are a hate group....and violent at that. It will be over when hate groups like the kkk and nazi wannabes are gone.
But lets get back on topic as there is already a thread about the confederate monument removal.
I think the Vorlons had it right.....'Understanding is a three edged sword... your side, their side, and the truth."
Proper scientific studies use opposing views and neutral information to come to the most valid conclusion.
I think the Vorlons were referring to personal and inter-relational truths in that context and not material science ones...but maybe they know more about the true nature of Reality..?
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