pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
in light of recent developments maybe Vallee's just hedging his bets.
The Extradimensional Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis: Superstition Masquerading as Science
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in light of recent developments maybe Vallee's just hedging his bets.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
If I were to parachute into an 'uncontacted' group of people and managed to avoid being killed, eaten or both and then was actually able to communicate with them somehow - how could I possibly explain the long term parking at JFK, the flight to wherever, the gadgets I used to speak with family and friends or even how the clothes I was wearing are made ? That gap might just be too wide to bridge.
I would have arrived in a fashion we would understand without any difficulty, but explain it to them. They'd be speculating a lot like we are here right now.
I would have arrived in a fashion we would understand without any difficulty, but explain it to them. They'd be speculating a lot like we are here right now.
nivek
As Above So Below
These two statements seem to conflict with one another, if its not physically possible to traverse from one dimension to another how could we teleport physical atoms to another dimension?...
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JahaRa
Noble
I didn't say it isn't physically possible to do anything, I said that the experiences that are not physical, don't have a physical element have nothing to do with what is "physically possible" until we learn more. We don't know. I am sorry to confuse you, but when you talk about what one here called "anti-physical" then you can't wonder how it is "physically possible" can you?
nivek
As Above So Below
Good to see you again Carl...I agree about our physical knowledge, its very limited, sure we may have some glimpses into the quantum realm but our science is barely scratching the surface on all its discoveries and breakthroughs IMO...We are a primitive barbaric species and cannot possibly understand the technology harnessed by highly advanced species who traverse the stars or dimensions...In a crude example, it would be like trying to explain trigonometry to a dolphin...
That being said I think some visitors are from a physical place here in our galaxy, a physical world...It would seem to be that it would take far less effort and energy for an intelligent species residing in a neighboring star system to travel here to observe us than it would be for an interdimensional species to cross dimensions to observe us...That also raises a question, how could an interdimensonal species find us to begin with?...I could see how and why aliens from a local star system could find out about our existence but from another dimension?...These could be a rhetorical questions because of our lack of understanding of the bigger picture...
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
As compared to what? Have we really, really met any non-terrestrial species and had that long talk? It's just us doing what we do, as evolution made us up until now.
nivek
As Above So Below
I don't think comparisons need to be made imo, to me its fairly obvious through self-observations as a species...In some aspects we are doing more harm to ourselves than other less intelligent species does to their own kind on this planet...If we can see the barbarism within our own species then I would hazard to surmise that far more intelligent species observing us would come to a similar conclusions or they may see things about ourselves that remain hidden from our own observations of ourselves no matter if good or bad things...
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dr wu
Noble
I think you answered your own quesion in that until we learn more about the nature of reality and Quantum physics it might be easier to slip into another dimension than travel 1,000 light years to get here.
As far as finding dimensions if parallel worlds are 'stacked' like some have theorized they could literally be next door and it would be like simply walking through to see what's next door...no searching required.... and this could explain the variety of alien lifeforms and craft also....without needing to resort to long distance travel from multiple species.
Again....pure speculation but I have always thought that the number of odd 'craft and aliens' seen is hard to believe in using just the space travel theme.
Carl Grove
Adept
Good quote at the end. The Book of the Book? Hard not to agree that there is something quite frightening about human beings, the constant urge to wage war on each other and act in a barbaric and sadistic way. If we look at other species, they may well compete with each other for food and habitat, but -- aside, I think, from chimpanzees -- they don't attempt to totally destroy each other utterly. In the early days of ufology there was much speculation that UFOs appeared in numbers only after we had developed nuclear weapons, and might consider us a potential threat. On the other hand, many sightings from that period -- and especially alleged crashes -- could have been accidents in black projects testing out some of the Nazi technology acquired after the war. Always many theories. If they are really advanced they probably understand us a lot better than we do ourselves..
nivek
As Above So Below
The searching comes in when attempting to find our world, earth...Let's say some particular species opens up a dimensional portal to our universe, to what spacial coordinates?...Are they opening up a portal from their world to another world in our universe or are they opening up portals in space?...If either are true then they would have to travel from that portal's location to our world and if they are in a parallel earth, then what accounts for the various species allegedly visiting here?...Are they sharing their information about us with other species in their dimension and revealing our location to others as well?...Are they just visiting our world in this dimension we live in or are there other worlds in our galaxy that are begin visited regularly as well?...
I know, some of these questions are for the most part rhetorical since it's unlikely we will have the answers anytime soon lol...
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nivek
As Above So Below
I've read almost all of the works of Idries Shah, the knowledge contained in his books is priceless, he's a remarkable man...
I think it's possible our nuclear weapons had an affect we are unaware of and hence the possible reason for the heightened numbers of ufos and strange contact reports...Its possible our nukes could be affecting other dimensions in close proximity to our own, kind of like sending a shockwave across dimensions and this could have been like shooting up a flare...We could have gave out our location inadvertently to others in other dimensions because of detonating nuclear devices...
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dr wu
Noble
Those are all valid questions but my point was that the parallel worlds are stacked..so that when you walk through the portal you are simply on another earth.....more or less the same but with different aspects in that universe. Sort of like the Atavachron in that old Star Trek episode. But it's also posssible one could dial in alternate protals so to speak...the possibilities are endless.
The number of alleged 'aliens' visiting here has always bothered me...I think that scenario very very unlikely whether they are traveling from outer space or using dimensional portals....it doesn't feel right to me.
I think this , and other reasons, is why Dr Vallee found the ETH to be lacking in explaining many aspects of the ufo enigma.
nivek
As Above So Below
True, the ETH doesn't explain all of it but it does seem to nail down some aspects, so both could be happening, visitations from other dimensions as well as visits from our local star groups...Both theories could have some basis in fact...
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Carl Grove
Adept
I've read all of Shah's books and everything else available many times over -- started in 1974, still getting there... Priceless is the right word for them.
Good point, a nuclear bomb is the kind of thing that could reverberate through different dimensions.
