The Pentagon FINALLY admits it investigates UFOs

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  1. August

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    Has anyone considered this to be a Supernatural phenomena ? Maybe that's why it doesn't seem to have any purpose or rhyme or reason.

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  3. dr wu

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    Hello Feinman...good to see that people visit other forums . My apologies about the 'incident' at F a while back.
    As you know I'm a fan of Dr Vallee's ideas so I tend to lean in that direction regarding the weirder cases.
     
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  4. Skepticide123

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    It is good to see you, Dr. Wu! And, Vallee could be right. It's very hard to tell where these things are coming from and what's going on with them.
     
  5. Skepticide123

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    Cool picture! Well we'd have to figure out what we mean by supernatural or spiritual; it's very possible the phenomenon has been interpreted supernaturally in the past. That's how I would have interpreted my experiences if I wasn't living in the current scientific paradigm.
     
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  6. August

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  7. pigfarmer

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    Our concept of what 'they' look like comes from a more contemporary source which is why we aren't finding cave paintings with little grey aliens and tic-tacs. That Airship Wave - that I am convinced is a form of misunderstood entertainment and years of wishful thinking- talked about American inventor types being on board. I think 'Doc Brown'

    In the 50s look at the movies we were watching. Destination Moon, Abbott and Costello go to Mars. Heinlein and Bradbury created fully formed civilizations on Mars and Venus that would seem ridiculous to us now but at the time was still very much open to speculation. Our solar system was paper mache balls hanging from classroom ceilings. The craft reported had port holes, flames shooting out the back, etc. - all very understandable to a pilot that probably dove a Studebaker to work. Think about what ET reports looked like then and what they had to say when they showed up. They reflect society at large - the society that's reporting them.

    These days we don't seem to be getting messages from ET anymore like we used to. Mailbox full ?
     
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  8. wwkirk

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    Also, the aliens themselves who interacted with the contactees looked perfectly human and often claimed to be from our solar system.

    Maybe there were really no aliens and the contactees made it up, or there really were aliens but they lied.
     
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  9. pigfarmer

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    There are some parallels between all this and religions. God didn't make us in His image we made Him. A phrase I like - our imagination has always filled in the void beyond the circle of the fire light.

    That said, I really do think it probable that once in a while something from Elsewhere whizzes by on its own agenda. No idea how to sort out intent and motivations behind a phenomenon made from incident reports that by our own admission have a 90%+ probability of having prosaic explanations.
     
  10. Skepticide123

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    "Airship" was a catch-all term just like "UAP" or "UFO" today. They were seen in Australia too, they moved in ways identical to later UFOs. There were grifters trying to take credit for them, but none were able to produce an airship or aeronaut. Often "airship" sightings were exactly like modern UFO sightings; formations of lights moving quickly against the wind with no balloon-like structure visible. Sometimes folks were seriously traumatized by them, and there are contemporary articles that read exactly like modern articles, stating that they couldn't be dirigibles because of the way they moved... SOmetimes they were seen out at sea.. One was seen by farmers in daylight and it looked exactly like a modern cigar shaped UFO with no gondola or carriage or people. The "Strange Crown" of 1903 was also seen whish was a disc-shaped UFO seen at the height of the "airship" wave. Completely real UFOs, imo. Later they would be called phantom Zeppelins, etc. The Wright Bros. were asked if they were behind the objects flying around Shasta and they said "no" and didn't know of any other peopple who could have been behind it. The amazing Sternenschiff sighting also occurred in 1851. UFO.
    There was even the same hysteria as in the '50s, and even a supposed airship "crash" into that windmill --just like the claims later about Roswell, etc. Same smoke, same fire.
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  11. nivek

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    I'll go with the latter until evidence reveals something to the contrary...

    Think about it, if you were highly intelligent (beyond us humans on earth) and you were talking about where you were from to a primitive human here, would you just make something up so that primitive human could understand easy and quickly or would you waste your time giving a lengthy and detailed description of your home that may not be fully understood and would also follow with too many questions that you don't really want to answer?...lol

    The flip side to this is perhaps they have bases on Mars or Venus and that's what they mean by originating there, from that base of operations...

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  12. Skepticide123

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    Hard to say what kinds of other technologies these devices have besides just magic propulsion; something so advanced might be able to cause humans to experience whatever they want us to. We ourselves are making progress on those fronts --where would we be in 3, 10, 200,000 years of development --provided these things move through time and space in a linear manner like we do.
     
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    This is perhaps some interaction using a smaller human-scale device. Note the animal reactions in this case, and the bizarre fact that the apparition is referred to as an "object" !! Not a human or ghost or figure or wraith.. Later it changes into different colored "clothing" perhaps to gauge color reactions or some such thing. It is at the height of the airship wave: 1871...
    There was a second article, just as old, that I lost, where a carriage with horses was approaching a bridge and a white object passed in front of them on the far side of the bridge and the horses went crazy too. I've also lost an old article about folks hiking in the outback in the 19th century at night and a light came up to them and cast a beam down to the ground in a perfect circle around them, then took off into the night.

    Daily Alta California, Volume 23, Number 7819, 19 August 1871


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  14. Standingstones

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    If you were an alien race either coming to Earth or already here with bases on or in the planet, how would you attempt to control the human population? If you had limited numbers of beings here perhaps the best way would be to manipulate the human race.

    It would make sense to contact the various superpower countries and make deals with these governments. Go to the Russians, Chinese and the Americans and promise them technology in turn to get free reign in doing whatever they wanted to do on Earth.

    Humans would do practically anything to secure alien weapons and technology. If all these countries thought they were getting over on their rivals, what better way to proceed. When I read stories how the Americans have all this advanced armaments it would seem to me we had help along the way.

    What do you all think?
     
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  15. August

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    Yes that's very true they would certainly do anything to secure that Alien tech like allowing the Aliens to abduct thousands of humans for genetic research and also make cows lives a living hell at night in the paddocks of the world.
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  16. pigfarmer

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    Actually, depends on what you want. I would be with the 'nuke them from orbit' camp but if establishing some kind of contact is what they want the only thing I can think of is how people like Jane Goodall earn the trust of primates. Can't think of anyone else off the top of my head but make your presence known subtly, let it be seen to be consistent and non-hostile and less startling, give time to adjust and take baby steps.

    So maybe little glowing lights spend some extra time being friendly around a destroyer and do so consistently over time. Make it a regular event and slowly turn the dial up so that when the big silver saucer wants to land on your helipad you might let it (and look for the word Raytheon on it somewhere .....)

    How would they pick who to do this with? They would be looking at the same stuff we see from orbit and sorting through it to see if there is any particularly dominant group. Maybe the US Navy fit the bill, ticked off enough boxes for them.

    Maybe they've already done all that and haven't figured it out yet. Or maybe their life spans are incredibly long and they haven't got around to it yet.
     
  17. pigfarmer

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    I would also think for clarity's sake that the UAPTF would have to draw a line somewhere - as they did - and not spend time looking at anything older. At least at this stage, let them apply resources as they see fit.

    We can talk about all the old cases we want but the only way we'll ever really know for sure about any of them would be to ask, and I'm not talking about the UAPTF ................
     
  18. wwkirk

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    Now, if someone would only leak the classified version...:evilgrin:
     
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  19. nivek

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    What level of control and for what purpose?...The human population may already be under alien control and we just don't know it, however it depends on how much control they wish to hold over us...

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  20. dr wu

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    Er..there are 195 countries on earth...I would love to hear an explanation of how the whole human population could be under control of aliens....and we don't know it? o_O

    Would make a great sci-fi novel.
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