This woman on Twitter, Was I an Asshole?

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  1. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    There is a woman on twitter, She was a somewhat active even a loyal follower, She even when I was sick wished me well every day, That's why I'm conflicted about this.

    She seemed like a decent person, Until the other night, She made a post, Which was politically charged, But she went on this rant about how She believes all Americans are dimwitted Fat lazy shallow cowards, She defended her points by saying, It's her free will to believe whatever she wants and no one had the right to demand an explanation from her.

    Irked, I told her, Personal opinion is one thing, But to insult an entire nation of people, every last person, wasn't far removed from racism or fascism, That it was just pure ignorance.

    She, of course, was terribly offended and didn't really expect that kind of reply from me. I find myself questioning a lot of things, Like, Was I too harsh with her, I mean she is entitled to her opinions even if they are offensive. I wasn't just cruel or mean to her, I said it just as I typed it here.

    The problem is, I'm not a perfect person, But when people judge an entire culture of people based on nationality like that, in vast swaths, It really does feel like Racism or fascism to me.

    did I overreact when I could have just ignored her? or did this woman deserve to have someone say hey, This isn't 1825 stop being ignorant.


    Conflicted about the whole issue.
     
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  2. aNorthernSoul

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    I take a sharp turn when I run into the hard left. They are the worst. I try to stay in the middle and I get the far right hate but the hard left are something else. I'd of overreacted far worse. I say you are good, I am not the right person to be getting such advice from though, to be fair.
     
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  3. Shadowprophet

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    Thank you, :) I'm not big on politics either, I like to stay in the middle and let others think and support what they will. But I agree, people that take really hard radical political views are kind of extremists and that's never a good thing.
     
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  4. aNorthernSoul

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    Exactly. You lean too hard and suddenly you're swerving. The thing is, there's no point in even talking to those types. They have lost the plot.
     
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  5. Toroid

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    Some people like to instigate conflict. She should be commended for her colorful use of adjectives. Do you know her nationality?
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  6. Shadowprophet

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    If I'm not mistaken, I think she is French, But I'm not entirely certain bro.
     
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  7. Toroid

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    Yeah, they don't think highly of us.
     
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  8. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    If I visited Europe then France would be at the bottom of my list if countries to visit...Just saying...:Whistle:

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  9. Ron67

    Ron67 Ignorance isn’t bliss!

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    Anyone stupid enough to generalise about a whole nation should just be ignored.
    Although Nivek is right about France;)
     
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  10. Thomas R. Morrison

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    You told the truth, and that's not something you should ever feel bad about. To condemn everybody of any given nationality, or creed, or race, or class, or whatever, is ignorance - plain and simple. If that's all you said, and you weren't personally abusive about it, then you're good: all you told her was the truth, and everybody needs more of that, not less of it.

    I understand her point. It's sickening and infuriating that our nation had become this absurdly corrupt, and yet we as a nation are not revolting in the streets by the millions. We should be in revolt right now. We should've been in revolt for many years now actually - if not when Bill Clinton abolished the Glass-Steagall Act and then passed the Telecommunications Act of 1996, then when George Bush lied us into an illegal invasion of Iraq that left over a million people dead and a raging dumpster fire of murder and mayhem burning all across the Mideast. And if not then, when Barack Obama let millions of good hard-working citizens like my sister lose their homes while he funneled trillions of dollars to his sociopathic Wall Street campaign donors after they crippled the global economy through fraud and treachery. We have too many good reasons to revolt, and too few reasons to stay at home surfing on facebook instead of taking to the streets to fight for justice and the American way.

    But it's wrong to condemn everyone in the country. Many of us are in revolt, and for good reasons. But more of us need to be in revolt - the streets should filled with outraged citizens. The plutocrats have seized complete control of our nation, and our leaders have killed countless people and displaced millions more, all based on lies like the fake WMD propaganda that got us into Iraq, which set the entire Mideast on fire.

    She has a point, but she went too far with it. You were right to point out that her position is in the same category as other forms of ignorance.

    You're as wrong as she was - to condemn an entire wing of political persuasion is also ignorance. I'm farther left than most people - certainly far left of most Democrats...who are willing to flirt with WWIII over a fake RussiaGate narrative just to avoid taking the blame for rigging their own primary. I want the American people to have a voice in their own government again; I want an end to the mass murder operations abroad and our soldiers back home with their families; and I want middle America to thrive again so people can have happy and healthy families and a future that isn't dismal and hopeless. I don't give a shit which direction anyone swings politically; everyone deserves a better shake than they're getting from this totally corrupt government that's run by two totally corrupt political parties.

    The British called the founding fathers extremists for revolting against an insanely oppressive royal dynasty - was that not a good thing? Of course it was. Sometimes you have to stand up and fight when the powerful have their boot on your neck, and your kids will never know freedom if you don't stand up and fight for it. Context matters.

    Don't be as bad as that woman and condemn the French people because one French woman crossed the line.

    The core principles of our Constitution were born in France. The French have been among our very closest allies for centuries, and for good reasons: we share a very similar love of egalitarian populism and freedom and justice. The French are a strong and proud people. They don't ask for a voice in their government - they demand it. They protest at the drop of a hat because that's how things get done. When their own plutocrats went too far with classism and oppression, and left them no alternative but a violent insurrection, they rose up and took their heads. And then they invented the modern republic, which our nation is founded upon.

    Don't make enemies with your friends - the French people want the same things that we do, like a government that represents the common citizen and not just the billionaires. And in many respects, they fight harder for it than we do. We owe them a debt of gratitude for showing us the way forward. And for giving us the Statue of Liberty. And for a million other amazing things as well.

    The modern crisis is profound and global. We need to build bridges and win allies if we're going to have a fighting chance to prevail against the darkness that is now upon us all.
     
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  11. Ron67

    Ron67 Ignorance isn’t bliss!

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    I was joking about France.Its a near neighbour Napoleonic Wars thing.Paris is a bit expensive but the people are fine especially if you try to speak a bit of French.You hit the nail on the head about the way the people demand of their politicians.Wish we had their attitude.
     
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  12. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Yeah the old wounds between France and the UK are heart-rending...the fallout of aristocrats engaging in endless pissing contests that only drove a deep wedge between the working people of both countries.

    But the common folk in the UK and France and America have far more in common than the global oligarchs want us to admit. And we in the US and the UK have let the newstainment/propaganda go way too far in controlling us. The French people won't stand for that shit, and neither should we.
     
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  13. pigfarmer

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    You make a mistake apologize for it. The other party can't accept that tough shit, it's on them.
     
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  14. pigfarmer

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    It's a shame that most people in first world countries have the benefit of some minimal public education that gets chucked out the window like a chamber pot at a certain point. Usually it's after their televisions or phones have informed them of what they need to know.

    As for this:
    God yes I couldn't agree more. I'm further right than left and have read more history than most and I still can't find any good reason to wage war for decades like this. If there were a reason you should be able to write it out on a matchbook cover and no one should have a problem understanding it.
     
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  15. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Money.

    Cost estimates for the "war on terror" are as high as $5.6 trillion so far. I assume that makes war our single largest export. And apparently the banking industry is using our enormous war machine to destroy any and every country that threatens the PetroDollar system, which is basically a license to make trillions of dollars by simply selling the American dollar to foreign nations so they can buy petroleum. As soon as Iraq started to accept Euros as their oil exchange currency, we destroyed the entire country (by ludicrously blaming the Iraqis for 9/11, which was actually perpetrated by Saudi terrorists). Then Qaddafi announced the Gold Dinar as a new exchange currency for oil, so we destroyed Libya too (then abandoned it to the Islamic State which is now flourishing there amid human slave trafficking). Syria abandoned the PetroDollar in 2006 and we're still bombing them. Iran moved away from the PetroDollar in 2008 and they've been demonized ever since; I assume that the only reason we haven't bombed them into oblivion yet is that it would mean a hot war with Russia, and the DoD is reluctant to spark a nuclear war.

    The corporate news media seems to be complicit in all of it, manufacturing consensus for whatever wars the oligarchs want.
     
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  16. pigfarmer

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    Well, my response was based on my personal observation of a few young men with artificial limbs - seems they left the originals on other continents. Considering the scope and distribution of US arms it isn't surprising that convenient places to use them have been found. Money is never far from anything, and none of this was invented recently.

    Don't want to sidetrack Shadowprophet's thread.
     
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  17. Sheltie

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    I hate to sound cliche but you dignified her argument by responding. I stopped responding to all political posts on FB about a year ago. Many others are now also doing the same. I have friends who have like 500 or 600 friends yet, when I check later to see how many likes/comments they received, it's normally only about 3 or 4. :victory:
     
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  18. pepe

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    She suffers more to have such a broad opinion, whether it be from youth, stupidity or anger.

    If you have ties with Britain then you will more than likely have some Norman up there too. She probably knows not of her ancestors. Know who you are before you write off a people.

    The French indigenous are a fine people who are credited with much ruling of England till our second Henry.

    By the way, Louis XVI and Marie would have created a revolt in any land. Dictators of power like no others.

    Red White and blue isn't by chance.
     
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  19. pepe

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    First Edward not Henry II. So many.
     
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    .................... Nice potatoes ................
     
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