To Vaccinate or Not to Vaccinate

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  1. Cran

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    The immediate response from the media and concensus is that you SHOULD vaccinate.

    However, using simple logic, and understanding that masses of people have been shown wrong many times (like thinking the Earth is flat 400 years former), there is a strong argument against what the majority represents.

    Cases of people who had a shot from a certain batch of flu shots containing higher traces of Thimerosal ended up with brain damage, memory loss, passing out and nearly dying. If just a stronger dose of Thimerosal does this to a person, imagine what a build up of weaker doses can do.

    The weaker doses will never show up physically like the strong dose had, but the effects are still equally paramount.

    Nowadays children are administered up to 46 vaccines within their first few years. Unable to make that decision for themself, and the parents/current science having little knowledge, are putting their children as experimenters of something that any rational mind would expect could be bad. They don't take the initiative to question the medical industry, and we have slightly brain damaged generation.

    I can see in the eyes of a young child after they got a shot, they can sense it's not right, and that it's killing them. Permanent brain damage and perception of reality damaged is not something that should even be happening.
     
  2. Dundee

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    Kids who are not vaccinated put other kids at risk, thats a fact. If you as a parent want to risk your own kids life by not vaccinating them, that is on your conscience. But you have no right to risk the lives of other kids because of it.
    People like you make me so angry.
    Do you even have kids? I have 4, all vaccinated, all healthy.
    And 1 grandson, also vaccinated and healthy.
    Watch this!!!!!!
     
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  3. Cran

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    Apparently study on autistic children finds they have 10x as much aluminum in their brains than adults.
    Only source would be vaccines.
    Up to several vaccines might not have serious after effects, but the standards now is 46 by age 7.
    It's up to you if you want to risk the 1/30 000 chance of your baby dying from whooping cough, and hoping good vibes will get it through.
    But most of the diseases they are preventing are not that harmful to properly nourished people, measles killing in North America is almost unheard of, it's only a killer to malnourished.
    Risking others lives from being around them with a non-lethal disease?
    We aren't talking about sars or anthrax here, but you're acting like it.
    The human body is strong and actually gets stronger from fighting off diseases.
    Too many links of vaccines to serious conditions, and if that's just the most serious of it, imagine the mild conditions that are not being reported.
     
  4. Cran

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    An argument made by vacciners is that breast milk consumed by babies after 6 months is at around 7000 micro kg of aluminum. And that the vaccines contain 3000 micro kg. They don't consider however that only 0.01-5% of aluminum INGESTED goes into the blood stream, so they take in 350 micro kg, over a course of 6 months averaging out to 2 micro kg daily.

    And the shot contains 3 injections 2 months apart each containing 1000 micro kg in a single day.
    It's like saying a human can healthily drink 2 beers daily.
    But if you just drink 60 beers in a day, and then go the rest of the month not drinking, is that the adequately similar? No.
     
  5. Dundee

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    50% of Australians who oppose vaccination get their information from the Internet
    23 May, 2013


    First ever national survey of Australian attitudes to vaccination
    To coincide with the broadcast of Jabbed: Love, Fear and Vaccines (SBS ONE, Sunday 26 May at 8.30pm) the first ever national survey* on Australian attitudes to vaccination reveals surprising statistics including half of Australians opposing immunisation get their information from the net. According to the survey those in favour of vaccination consult their GP.

    Good old Dr Google hey.
    Here is an idea, talk to a GP, bet you never thought of that one.

    You didn't answer my question, do you have kids?
     
  6. Cran

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    I have a relative who is being forced to get vaccines. And I know she doesn't want it cause she knows it's damaging.
    I don't need information from internet or in person to know taking in the world's most poisonous substance likely isn't healthy in any way. The substance (metals) which are the only thing to cause neurological disorders- permanently.
     
  7. Dundee

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    Translation:
    Who needs facts when I have a strong opinion.
    Go away, do some proper research so you know what your talking about, then come back and debate the merits of vaccination.

    Clearly your not interested in facts, but here is something to think about all the same.

    Telling healthcare professionals your child’s vaccination status is essential for two reasons:
    • When your child is being evaluated, the doctor will need to consider the possibility that your child has a vaccine-preventable disease (VPD); while uncommon, VPDs still occur.
    • The people who help your child can take precautions, such as isolating your child, so that the disease does not spread to others.
      • One group at high risk for contracting disease is infants, who are too young to be fully vaccinated.
      • Other people are those with weaker immune systems, such as some people with cancer and transplant recipients.
    I suppose your lack of need for fact "cos ya just know" makes you more informed than these people.
    Parents | If You Choose Not to Vaccinate Your Child: Risks and Responsibilities | CDC
     
  8. Fen Star

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    I agree with Dundee anyone who doesn't get vaccinations on non medical and even worse internet advice is a completely irresponsible moron and are putting their child's life and other children's lives at risk..
     
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  9. Dundee

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    I just read your tag Fenn, cant stop laughing.
    ''I use sarcasm online as it's easier than hunting you down and punching you in the face.''
    Love it hahah
     
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  10. Cran

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    You know through a lot of insight I know mental illness (aside from brain disorders like alzyhmers, dimentia) is not something physical related. It’s a construct of eccentric minds, especially depression. The booming working age is over and we have millions of depressed people, at least claiming so. Even more so, there’s a medication to fix the natural way they feel bored.
    It’s like giving someone pain meds- your body is telling you something if it’s in pain -change whatever you are doing-, but giving pain meds just masks the pain and allows your body to get worse.

    Doctors are the disease here.

    Live naturally, like the animal kingdom. Be prepared to die if that is what mother nature is, and feel alive and open and honest and true. Besides the chance of a baby dying from whooping cough is 1/33000 in the states (a moderately unhealthy place). All these diseases are almost non-lethal, but I guess having a 100% non-risk at the expense of a generation of enormously brain damaged millenials is much better. I’m sure they’ll love life and the decisions of 60 year old doctors who hardly understand the cause of the depression for the kids they are giving chemical injections to fix.
     
  11. Cran

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    So only trust the people in power?
    Tell that to the egyptians, don't overthrow assad, wait on his whim.
    I know for a fact the medical industry is a disease, and you say anyone who gets advice from ulterior sources than them is moronic?
     
  12. Dundee

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    You know what, you are a very ill informed person. Many forms of depression are the direct result of a chemical imbalance, just like diabetes. But I guess you don't care about fact because, "You know through a lot of insight"
    What a croc of shit. Go away Cran!!
     
  13. Cran

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    Go away, that's all you say. Mature.
    Yes I'll go away so you can be here in peace with likeminded people.
    The rate of mental illness was 1/100 a few decades ago, now it's apparently at 1/4 in Canada.

    I guess we need the doctors to come up with the solution.

    "Hey man, isn't it cause they are sitting around more, using internet more."
    Him: "Hmm.. I've got it! Give them a chemical concoction that has nothing to do with the pointlessness they feel, and put their brain through a traumatic, eye focusing medicine."

    Other: "Waiit... won't that just make it twice as bad."
    "Nonsense. At the double!"
     
  14. Cran

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    Now theres studies revealing medication for mental illness causes brain shrinkage.

    Of course they didn't know that when they started administering it. They had to inject a random chemical and have years of doumentary to finally realize injecting a foriegn substance we never encountered or adapted to, and most of all has nothing to do with curing mental illnesses, might not be good.
     
  15. Dundee

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    I am done. The stupidity in your posts speak words I can't.
     
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  16. Cran

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    There's no stupidity. You don't get that the world is changing? That teens reporting to be mentally ill is up?
    So something about their physical lives or mental lives has changed.
    Unless it was just some new thing in the water.

    So a dog with a newly broken leg should not be given rest, ability to recuperate, instead a pill?
     
  17. nivek

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    I will never get a flu vaccine...
     
  18. Dundee

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    How do you discuss something with a persons cup that is already full.
     
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  19. nivek

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    Micro-plastic particles are in the water, we are all consuming it...
     
  20. Cran

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    Same
    Alright Dundee, lets say we both could be wrong. Right now, there isn't enough evidence to support that they are entirely safe as it was only around 3 months ago they linked aluminum use (tinfoil, soda cans) built up over a life time to the cause of alzymers. And equally you are right that there will be more disease outbreaks at a time like measles.

    It's a trade off if, the shots do cause serious damage, do you want a population of people who have said damage, or do you want a population who risk getting mostly non-lethal diseases. The thing is you can't prove me you are 100% right because the only way you could if you said "here is 10 years of research showing the levels of aluminum are harmless, inside and out proof down to the molecular observance" But like I said considering they only found out after all these 90 years of science that aluminum usage is likely the culprit for alzyhmers, i don't think they are quite at that level. The truth may be that they are in fact causing permanent damage. I'm open to if they aren't, but for now based off everything it's not a sound conclusion to assume. The majority believing it doesn't make it right. I think it's better to not have that permanent damage to your brain. Metals are the only thing known to affect the brain, not the kidneys, liver, so it must be because the brain is electric and metals are the most conductive of all the elements highly.

    So the fact that a populous is 'randomly' concerned over 'paranoia' might be that it's not random and they might be right

    Those extremem diseases like black plague broke out when people still threw toilet water out of their windows

    Just looked it up and apparently there's about 5 plastic particles on average per 500 ml in US.
    Each particle is about 2.5 microns in size, which is 0.000000000001 ml. So it doesn't seem too worrisome.
    But you never know
     
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