Wars & Rumours of Wars

pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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Killing one another over something is the default human condition, to think otherwise is where the problems start.

I'm not making light of any of this. To be honest it's a topic that's close to home and I am preferring to reserve comment as I am literally overwhelmed at all the garbage in the news, this included. Can't help but watch and feel this is going to get a lot worse.

All that aside, all things of importance were touched upon in Star Trek. Typically, Capt. Kirk addressed these concerns along time ago. Or from now - that can be very confusing, especially with him.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
Killing one another over something is the default human condition, to think otherwise is where the problems start.

I'm not making light of any of this. To be honest it's a topic that's close to home and I am preferring to reserve comment as I am literally overwhelmed at all the garbage in the news, this included. Can't help but watch and feel this is going to get a lot worse.

All that aside, all things of importance were touched upon in Star Trek. Typically, Capt. Kirk addressed these concerns along time ago. Or from now - that can be very confusing, especially with him.
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There Star Trek sounds as if Shakespeare wrote it.

I don't think we are killer species. I certainly am not.
But 1% of us are, the lowest lows, scumbags and filth. And violence always has a trump card over the discourse based on reason, so filth overrules good natured ones.

Wikipedia has a good article on Hamas:

en.wikipedia.org

Hamas - Wikipedia

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pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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Actually, a family friend lives in Tel Aviv that we've been in touch with that we are very concerned for, as well as her IDF children and grandchildren. I understand there is a perfectly valid Palestinian p.o.v but this isn't the time for rational discussion any more than 9/12/2001 was. Plenty of innocent civilians were killed as a result of that mess in two entire countries - including our own - and various massive humanitarian crisis ensued as a result of amateur political hacks and very realistic experts in the military industrial complex that fueled most of it.

At the time though, all I - or literally anyone else here for that matter - said 'we're at war and somebody's about to get their ass kicked' and I wasn't really too picky about who it was. Meaning - I can relate to the Israelis at that level.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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Yeah, I don't care a fig about Hamas. If Israelis can kill them all, one by one, with some smart bombs it would be gift from god.

But both sides killing thousands of innocent civilians is completely wrong, no matter how they justify it.
 
AD1184

AD1184

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I don't think that Israel's offensive into Gaza can work. Even on purely military terms. The political fallout from a ground invasion of Gaza around the world will be immense for Israel, and it will become a geopolitical victory for the Iran-China-Russia axis.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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AD1184 said:
I don't think that Israel's offensive into Gaza can work. Even on purely military terms. The political fallout from a ground invasion of Gaza around the world will be immense for Israel, and it will become a geopolitical victory for the Iran-China-Russia axis.
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I believe we can point to the last 20+ years as perfect examples of what should and should not be done in military terms.

People can be confused by what role 'the military' plays as National Guard troops often arrive in the wake of a disaster of some sort, and of course because all the armed services engage in some form of genuine humanitarian relief. Nuclear powered aircraft carriers make a lot of fresh water, for example. But their primary mission is to destroy things, not build or fix them. Invading and the initial occupation is the easy part, staying there after 'mission accomplished' is, as we've seen, a whole other ball of wax. George C Marshall is long dead and if we could resurrect him he'd take one look around and crawl back into the hole. Nation building doesn't work, just ask Afghanistan.

The only real difference is the geography. Gaza's small enough and isolated enough that the IDF could very well do this. It's also inflammatory enough to suck us right into it and that's my worry.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
I believe we can point to the last 20+ years as perfect examples of what should and should not be done in military terms.

People can be confused by what role 'the military' plays as National Guard troops often arrive in the wake of a disaster of some sort, and of course because all the armed services engage in some form of genuine humanitarian relief. Nuclear powered aircraft carriers make a lot of fresh water, for example. But their primary mission is to destroy things, not build or fix them. Invading and the initial occupation is the easy part, staying there after 'mission accomplished' is, as we've seen, a whole other ball of wax. George C Marshall is long dead and if we could resurrect him he'd take one look around and crawl back into the hole. Nation building doesn't work, just ask Afghanistan.

The only real difference is the geography. Gaza's small enough and isolated enough that the IDF could very well do this. It's also inflammatory enough to suck us right into it and that's my worry.
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This Gaza thing is purely Iran's play. Hamas is just a small potatoes proxy.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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I've just read on NationalInterest.com that Hamas has 500 km of tunnels under Gaza City.

That means four things:

1.) Even if Israel levels the whole Gaza city, Hamas can keep on fighting.
2.) Israel's soldiers will have to enter into tunnels and fight there, where they can have advantage with nigh vision, but it will still be close quarters combat, with booby traps everywhere. Its going to be very low tech down there,
3.) Practically tanks and aeroplanes will be of no use.
4.) it will certainly mean large casualty amongst Israel's infantry soldier.

It seems these tunnels are the secret reason why Hamas was luring Israel into Gaza Strip.
 
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pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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The Israelis have activated a special unit, NILI, to track down the individuals responsible for this. Personally. If the Mossad wants your ass you have a problem.
 
SOUL-DRIFTER

SOUL-DRIFTER

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One must wonder what this will escalate to.
I do not think China wants it to escalate to a world war, their economy is already going down hill, but if we enforce the sanctions against Iran that may change. China buys lots of oil from Iran...which they use much of to empower terrorist like Hamas and others.
IMHO this problem was a creation of Biden...being too soft on Iran...just being too soft around the world period!!
 
nivek

nivek

As Above So Below

The deranged defence of Hamas on campuses across the West is fuelling a counter-revolution that could finally loosen the stranglehold of wokeism​

Has wokeism jumped the shark? In other words, have the radical Leftists who for years have exercised increasing power in our universities finally gone too far? I dare to hope so. The recent disgraceful responses to the attacks on Israel that we have seen - from American university campuses to the streets of London and Sydney - have dramatically increased awareness that something is rotten in the state of higher education in the English-speaking world. Some of us have been battling against the ideological takeover of academia for close to a decade. Each year, we have been getting better organised. But we have struggled to convince people in the real world just how bad things are. The past three weeks may finally have changed that.

What irony! The deranged defence of Hamas on campuses across the West is fuelling a

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pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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bases in Afghanistan?

Some of our bases are right here in the Midwest and they still can reach out and touch anybody they want and be virtually invisible about it. I'd love to have a game of Whack-A-Mole with Iran but frankly am sick of endless war.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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pigfarmer said:
bases in Afghanistan?

Some of our bases are right here in the Midwest and they still can reach out and touch anybody they want and be virtually invisible about it. I'd love to have a game of Whack-A-Mole with Iran but frankly am sick of endless war.
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They are sick bunch. Here in London there is one street in a leafy part of town, called Bishop's Avenue. Its all lined up with mansions owned by Iranian ayatollahs, who got rich on power and corruption.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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I worked with an Iranian. Big bastard that was once on their Olympic boxing team. He and (most) of his family got out before it went wonky. Says his brother worked for British Intelligence. Big chess fan and wow, does he have some stories to tell. Nice guy. One day they'll overthrow those lunatics. I hope.
 
pigfarmer

pigfarmer

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I agree with Woody but .... Korea ??
They books and stuff with ... you know ... stuff written in them that tells you what happened.

Iraq and Afghanistan were complete goat ****s that nobody needed but we got anyway. Then just for fun we just walk away and precipitate various humanitarian crisis. When we do it it's Freedom, man. Just recently I heard George W has been making the rounds and has gained credibility as an 'elder statesman' and enjoys a status he did not when he served, just like Jimmy Carter. From some of the things I read Jimmy was a prick, most definitely not the person he'd have you believe he was. W might actually be what you see, he may just be sitting in his presidential library right now staring at a spot on the wall.

Anybody remember a story from when we first went into Afghanistan ? Don't know if it's really true but they were air dropping pallets of relief supplies all over the place including 'high energy density food'. I read an Afghan woman was crushed by one - she was killed by a pallet of Pop Tarts. Somehow that summed the whole thing up for me in one neat package.
 
Dejan Corovic

Dejan Corovic

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Communism is horrible thing. Once they get on, one can't get them off. It was good what US did to stop spreading the disease.

On other hand, we all know it wasn't all for the sake of "freedom", since then Saudi Arabia, and myriad of other right-wing dictatorships would had same experience as Vietnam. I would really like to see US going after a corrupt right-wing dictatorship for sake of spreading "freedom".
 
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