3FEL9
Islander
I Have some roots in the south but I'm a nordic..
I Have some roots in the south but I'm a nordic..
nivek
As Above So Below
Exploding multiple nuclear devices a few decades ago might be enough to get their attention...
If they came in large numbers, we are most likely doomed...
3FEL9
Islander
Exploding multiple nuclear devices a few decades ago might be enough to get their attention...
If they came in large numbers, we are most likely doomed...
They'd probably catch some nasty bug or virus and be denumbered within a couple of months. The preppers would survive and repopulate the globe again
iwant2believe2
Honorable
Why would their coming now...recent past, present, near future...be any more plausible than say Mesopotamia 3500 BC?
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Exploding multiple nuclear devices a few decades ago might be enough to get their attention...
If they came in large numbers, we are most likely doomed...
If they are so advanced they don't need many.....but if they come and rescues the earth from us the end will come uicker.
If they can travel between stars or even galaxies do you really think our atomic bombs would interest then.....even Castle-Bravo or Castle Yankee wouldn't interest them. Even the Tsar Bomb wouldn't be of interest.
3FEL9
Islander
Not really related perhaps,, but this has puzzled my mind for a few years.
Tunguska event - Wikipedia
Tunguska event - Wikipedia
nivek
As Above So Below
It wouldn't in my opinion, our experience of relative time could be much faster or slower than theirs, they could have discovered our planet in 3500 BC departed and returned but by the time they came back it could be 2017 with our calanders with maybe only 3 or 4 years having passed for them...
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
I always liked this event too.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
They are all equally plausible.
Gambeir
Celestial
we know electrons exist!! what are you talking about!?
OK, not to stab you with another pin in the backside with nitpicking because that's not the intent. The intent is to use what you said to bring forward challenging information to the group. So I'm using you...smile...typical huh?
So begin with keeping in mind that electrons are unproven hypothetical components of atoms. Time will tell if the electron theory holds up. For now though they form a workable context to explain interactions. The problem with the theoretical idea behind electrons is that many great minds opposed their existence, and despite how well this theory has worked, it's not wise to forget that it could be wrong, and it does have problems. Frankly I think we just don't know enough yet.
Now it just so happens this specific issue has taken and is taking a significant part of current and past time. I had doubts about their existence but the more I learn the greater they seem to be validated. Yet again this could be illusionary so it's unclear whether we really understand what is taking place at the atomic level.
I say this because an atom is formed in space out of the anther of the unknown. This is where this business about quantum bullshit arises. In bullshit theory quanta pop into and out of existence. Some stay and other don't. OK, well this is all magical thinking without any basis in reality. It isn't science, it's bullshit, and it's soon to be shown as the bullshit that it really is because there's new information using real science which has shown it's bullshit.
The Double Slit Experiment Re-Explained
http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jap/papers/Vol8-issue4/Version-3/M0804038698.pdf
This unknown was called the aether in earlier times and today some might call it dark matter, hyperspace, or counter-space. Now here's where it begins to take on a twist. A guy named Ken Wheeler wrote a book on Magnetism. Since Ken's work there has been a number of individuals whom have validated much of Wheelers writing. *Note:
I would pay specific attention to what this reviewer says at the link about Ken Wheelers book.
Reviewer: robstawithlove - favoritefavoritefavorite - October 9, 2016
Uncovering the missing Secrets of Magnetism : Ken L Wheeler : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
What comes out of Wheeler's writing is an new understanding of the magnetic field and where it comes from, and this has implications which threaten to blow up a number of magically inclined ideas in physics and electrodynamics which have been with us for the last 70+ years.
Now essentially the aether is explained as the Dielectric Field = Counterspace/Aether. Magnetism originates (emanates) from the aether, and it is also where magnetism discharges (returns). The magnetic force, which is the nuclear force, emanates from the precise center of any magnetic field. It forms a magnetic field in a ball shape. What Ken Wheeler wrote has been validated by many others. We now know this is a factual truth.
Magnetism is what gives matter cohesion. The nuclear force is a magnetic force and magnetism is the product of that unknown space which is the aether/counter-space. In other words, it is through this other world of the aether/counter-space which gives rise to our own world. We exist through the that worlds energies, and which creates the nuclear magnetic bonds that holds all matter together in this reality.
To return then to our present ideas about electron theory is to question what is an electron, how's this work inside of what we are now learning about the true nature of the magnetic field. We may find that what we have is like a childs explanation, inaccurate but understandable in a flawed way, but which provides a step stone to a greater truth. For now though, we will use the electron theory as the valuable tool that it has proven itself to be and for which we really have no other alternative.
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notdej
Honorable
An electron microscope uses a beam of accelerated electrons- correct?
I'm no expert (apparently there are none according to your post) therefore isn't the existence of electrons fact not theory? I'm confused...........
Gambeir
Celestial
You are as much an expert as anyone else at this point. You're not any more or less confused than anyone else, only just like everyone else right now, we are on the frontier of a greater understanding because of technological equipment that made the work of Ken Wheeler possible is now published, and this work shows our understanding of the magnetic field is wrong, and has been wrong for the last 200 years, and which then has serious implications all round.
In reality once you get digging into this you've probably got a better understanding than most others at this point, and so this is the gist of what I'm saying; that our knowledge is in flux right now. We are at a new horizon in science for those whom are not in various mind control schemes like quantum science, and those whom are lost will discover that where they have gone, what they have followed are lies and magical thinking, and this is being proven right now. The scientific ideas born in the late 1930's are being overturned with a return to critical thinking and applied science.
Now as you can see in Mahmoud E. Yousifs' paper on the double slit experiment they too use electrons fired from an electron gun. These electrons are applied and work well, so how then could these not be electrons?
Well for one thing Philo Farnsworth himself never believed in electrons, yet we have the electron gun because of Farnsworth. He was put under tremendous pressure to change his position that the electron existed. Probably not accidentally either. Philo Farnsworth - Wikipedia
So now, what we are now calling electrons may need to be re-evaluated as time progresses because the magnetic field doesn't have any North or South Poles. All it has is a dielectric pathway which projects out into our space which is creating a magnetic field and which all comes from a singular point. It comes out of space, orbits and collapses back again in upon itself. Watch the video I'll attach. This is the true magnetic field and it has implications.
The dielectric field is an interdimensional field which creates magnetism when it moves across time. Now ponder that idea for a moment, because this means that if you stop time you cease to exist in physical form because the nuclear binding forces break down. Death has always been associated with breaking down of the biological clock, and now this seems to make a lot more sense how death and disease comes about. Further, I must ask what happens in a nuclear explosion? Does time stop? If time stops then our universe would cease to exist.
In the Wheeler book, and by way of empirical tests, the true nature of the magnetic field has been revealed. This revelation, along with the clearer parts of Wheeler's book, tell us that what is popping into and or out of reality isn't quanta, it's magnetic fields; it's the nuclear binding force which comes out of the aether by way of a dielectric pathway which creates a magnetic field, and for this to happen time must itself exist for this creation process to take place. This is what I myself see as one of the important implications to Ken Wheeler's research.
So it seems that this boils down is that there are no such things as North and South Poles per say, because the flow of the magnetic field comes out of a precise point in space, and which then follows orbital pathways that return back to the point of origin.
Speculation;
This would seem to imply that the factor which sustains and gives meaning to matter are these other things we now call electrons, and which are then responsible for keeping the magnetic nuclear forces in being; keeping the atom together in this reality so that the whole thing doesn't collapse back to where it came out of, which is evidently the aether of counter-space.
However, electrons cannot have charges in reality and there cannot really be such things as charges because the magnetic field is moving in counterflowing orbital planes, and all coming out of singularity, which then would seem to imply that what we are calling charges are in reality degrees of magnetic strength. Of course what do I know? I don't have a clue, I'm guessing just like everyone else is at this point.
notdej
Honorable
If only you had used a different analogy= Phew
3FEL9
Islander
If only you had used a different analogy= Phew
Yah,lol How could I've known Gambeir had a thinh for electrons ¿ , he
I Know Leta could verify his statements.
Lifes funny I can tell Ya!
Whats next
Gambeir
Celestial
We are still using electrons to explain our reality even as we now seem to be required to re-examine what these electrons themselves truly are. That's all there is to the issue for right now, but it's not an issue to treat lightly either because it has profound implications.
So for right now we have to use what we think we know, even though it is now looking like what we have isn't correct, but it is evidently correct enough that we can still use and apply it to obtain solutions to most problems.
As an Example;
This is a Carbon Atom depicting a compton scattering in two images, before and after, and of course we are using electrons to depict how this happening. Like I said, it works and it works well. Nobody is going to be tossing the baby out with the bathwater just yet. We have a long ways to go when or if that happens with our present knowledge.
Citation: Mahmoud E. Yousif (2016) The Compton Effect Re-Visited. J Adv Appl Phys 1: 004. Copyright: © 2016 Mahmoud E. Yousif. This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted Access, usage, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited. Journal of Advanced and Applied Physics The Compton Effect Re-Visited (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ect_Re-Visited [accessed Aug 26, 2017].
Depends on how much of this material they have been exposed to. The important thing is to understand that I'm not saying we don't have electrons, I'll leave that to other better qualified people, but rather that we are using this theory which is probably not correctly or fully understood given what we are now learning.
So for right now we have to use what we think we know, even though it is now looking like what we have isn't correct, but it is evidently correct enough that we can still use and apply it to obtain solutions to most problems.
As an Example;
This is a Carbon Atom depicting a compton scattering in two images, before and after, and of course we are using electrons to depict how this happening. Like I said, it works and it works well. Nobody is going to be tossing the baby out with the bathwater just yet. We have a long ways to go when or if that happens with our present knowledge.
Citation: Mahmoud E. Yousif (2016) The Compton Effect Re-Visited. J Adv Appl Phys 1: 004. Copyright: © 2016 Mahmoud E. Yousif. This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted Access, usage, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited. Journal of Advanced and Applied Physics The Compton Effect Re-Visited (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ect_Re-Visited [accessed Aug 26, 2017].
Depends on how much of this material they have been exposed to. The important thing is to understand that I'm not saying we don't have electrons, I'll leave that to other better qualified people, but rather that we are using this theory which is probably not correctly or fully understood given what we are now learning.
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notdej
Honorable
For christs sake Gambeir, you're missing the point here!! Give it a rest...
Gambeir
Celestial
For christs sake Gambeir, you're missing the point here!! Give it a rest...
Oh sorry....wasn't meaning to be bombastic. I was just going to make that post this am when....
Gambeir
Celestial
I realize this all seems obtuse and annoying and out of place. However it is hoped that in time the meaning will become more clear as I've not gone to these lengths without a purpose, and that purpose really is intended to provide an underlying framework that gives support to your own original post.
As you know notdej, I think your own demand for physical proofs in this topic are not entirely out of line. What I can offer is what others have themselves put together which shows through scientific and mathematical proofs the physics which drive at least one type of UFO, as there are other types as well, so my goal is to inject some of the foundations of this knowledge into this discussion.
The reason I singled your thread out for this is that you've rightly demanded some kind of evidence. Now the best I can do is to begin to give you people the foundations for how these vehicles operate. It's up to you to then decide if they are alien vehicles in all or part.
It's clear to myself that the reason these UFO's have changed shapes over the years is associated with scientific understanding. So what began with Nazi Ufo's has morphed over to other experimental models and so on and so forth.
As you know notdej, I think your own demand for physical proofs in this topic are not entirely out of line. What I can offer is what others have themselves put together which shows through scientific and mathematical proofs the physics which drive at least one type of UFO, as there are other types as well, so my goal is to inject some of the foundations of this knowledge into this discussion.
The reason I singled your thread out for this is that you've rightly demanded some kind of evidence. Now the best I can do is to begin to give you people the foundations for how these vehicles operate. It's up to you to then decide if they are alien vehicles in all or part.
It's clear to myself that the reason these UFO's have changed shapes over the years is associated with scientific understanding. So what began with Nazi Ufo's has morphed over to other experimental models and so on and so forth.
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