THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE

[iwant2believe2]

From what I've read, Travis is very disappointed with the movie because it has nothing to do with what he has experienced, but they talked him into it. They wanted to attract people and tried to draw their attention but it caused the accusations of being a liar cause his story (in the book) and the movie were so different.

Yes, I agree. Why I say 'inspired' as opposed to based on. I did read his book and found it much more plausible than the movie. All I can say is that his demeanor didn't indicate to me that he was lying. IMO He truly believes he experienced what he claims to have experienced.

Without anything further to go on, I sit this account in my '?' pile.

 

[notdej]

and you say you don't being mocked....right....you just like mocking others. Understood.

if ya like

 

[iwant2believe2]

There are a many events and artifacts from ancient civilizations that do not fit with the norm. The idea that some myths and artifacts may have derived from contact is no more absurd than the idea of the possibility of contact in the 1940s...90s...2000...etc. So, I don't find Tsoukalos' ideas anymore outlandish than the idea that the WOW signal had extraterrestrial origins.

They are mysteries. They are unexplained and until they are we will continue to ponder them, to ask questions, to search for explanations, etc. Or we can ignore them and pretend that they don't exist simply because they don't square with our beliefs.

I don't care what Tsoukalos personally believes. He presents anomalies that are interesting, at the least, to consider. And why not?

 

[notdej]

And why not?

good question.......... because some people may not find it interesting? just a possibility

 

[Castle-Yankee54]

I don't care what Tsoukalos personally believes. He presents anomalies that are interesting, at the least, to consider. And why not?

What anomalies has he presented that you find compelling? Be it from ancient times or recent.

 

[iwant2believe2]

good question.......... because some people may not find it interesting? just a possibility

You misunderstood my question. Perhaps I should have worded it differently.

Why not examine an anomaly on its own merit rather than simply dismissing it because a man with crazy hair offers up an explanation? Why not examine it for yourself and arrive at your own conclusion? I'm willing to wager that many people who simply dismiss Tsoukalos as a quack have not done 1/10th of the research on the object in question that he has. His theories may be outlandish...flawed...whatever...at least he took the time to research it and arrive at his own conclusions. That's more than can be said for many 'skeptics'.

And the gist of this is...research it and arrive at your own conclusions. No one is telling you to believe in something without evidence. The only answers you will find are the answers you find yourself.

 

[iwant2believe2]

What anomalies has he presented that you find compelling? Be it from ancient times or recent.

You're muddying the waters CB. Lol We can discuss ancient anomalies and alternative archeology in another thread if you like. I said interesting not compelling. It all interests me as any mystery does. But if you want compelling then we would have to discuss specific examples and examine them on their own merit.

 

[notdej]

Why not examine an anomaly on its own merit rather than simply dismissing it because a man with crazy hair offers up an explanation?

Maybe it's you that doesn't understand:

one has to feel something is an anomaly to start with.... I suggest most do not see an anomaly

 

[Castle-Yankee54]

You're muddying the waters CB. Lol We can discuss ancient anomalies and alternative archeology in another thread if you like. I said interesting not compelling. It all interests me as any mystery does. But if you want compelling then we would have to discuss specific examples and examine them on their own merit.

Deal.....I was the one that used compelling...I know you didn't. I find his ideas interesting but I don't find him pointing out to many anomalies. To me he is the epitomy of absence of evidence.

 

[iwant2believe2]

Maybe it's you that doesn't understand:

one has to feel something is an anomaly to start with.... I suggest most do not see an anomaly

No, I fully understood my question. I also understand your misconstrued retort.

Perhaps you do not see it as an anomaly. Perhaps you accept this theory over that theory. Perhaps others do not.

Whose to say? I don't know and I don't care. If you feel there are no mysteries, then why trouble yourself with this thread? If you feel you already have all the answers then why are you still asking questions? Have you examined every single case and every single suspect anomaly...the evidence presented or the absence thereof...in your 40+ years and arrived a conclusion? If so, why are you here at this forum? If not then what is the purpose of this thread?

You can answer those questions or not. It really doesn't matter to me. I will still ask my own questions, do my own research and arrive at my own conclusions case by case. And why not?

 

[Castle-Yankee54]

You're muddying the waters CB. Lol

Sorry.

 

[iwant2believe2]

Deal.....I was the one that used compelling...I know you didn't. I find his ideas interesting but I don't find him pointing out to many anomalies. To me he is the epitomy of absence of evidence.

My interest isn't necessarily in his theories but in the artifacts and anomalies themselves. I use the word anomaly here without a specific example in mind.

 

[notdej]

Whose to say? I don't know and I don't care. If you feel there are no mysteries, then why trouble yourself with this thread?

You do care otherwise you wouldn't reply.....

I took the time to start this thread because I'm hoping someone like your good self will say something/ show me an anomaly etc that will interest <ME> as someone who wants to believe in the fantastic but has been given (in ones opinion) no reason to ...

you're in defense mode when you're not being attacked- why? What does that say about you?

 

[nivek]

What exactly falls under the umbrella of that you are referring to as an anomaly...?

 

[notdej]

What exactly falls under the umbrella of that you are referring to as an anomaly...?

sorry- who are you asking?

 

[iwant2believe2]

You do care otherwise you wouldn't reply.....

I took the time to start this thread because I'm hoping someone like your good self will say something/ show me an anomaly etc that will interest <ME> as someone who wants to believe in the fantastic but has been given (in ones opinion) no reason to ...

you're in defense mode when you're not being attacked- why? What does that say about you?

You may be right. I am tired and being defensive wasn't my intention.

What I am trying to say is that all you can do is to continue to look for your own answers. You seem discouraged but still want to believe. Unfortunately none of us can give you answers. We are all in the same boat. Some of us are more exhausted by our search than others. While others may just be beginning to ask questions. Some of us have been persuaded by what we have found or even just by what we want to believe while still others will not rest until we have not just answers but the truth.

If you have at last found yourself at end...wherein only the truth will suffice...then there is nothing anyone here can offer. You will have to wait for that UFO to land in your front yard. So to speak anyway.

I hope that day comes...as much for my own sake as yours. In the meantime, I will continue searching for answers by overturning every stone I stumble across. How about you? Are you ready to give up or will you continue searching?

 

[iwant2believe2]

What exactly falls under the umbrella of that you are referring to as an anomaly...?

If you are asking me...only this...

-something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.-

Anomaly does not necessarily refer to paranormal, supernatural, etc. An anomaly can have explanations that doesnt mean we are bound to accept the explanation wholesale. I don't like to do that. I like to investigate it myself.

 

[notdej]

If you have at last found yourself at end...wherein only the truth will suffice...then there is nothing anyone here can offer.

no harm in trying- .. someone might come up with a result- you're suggesting you don't know why someone like me is here:

well now ya know

 

[iwant2believe2]

no harm in trying- .. someone might come up with a result- you're suggesting you don't know why someone like me is here:

well now ya know

No harm. I hope you find the proof you are looking for.

 

[notdej]

No harm. I hope you find the proof you are looking for.

fair enough