DeLonge’s UFO Team Studying Alien Metal

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  1. nivek

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    DeLonge’s UFO Team Studying Alien Metal

    Last week, To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science (TTSA), Tom DeLonge’s public benefit corporation dedicated to seeking answers to the UFO mystery, announced that it was launching its “flagship” research project.

    The Acquisition and Data Analysis of Materials, known as A.D.A.M., focuses on,
    This material often referred to as ‘meta-materials,’ is usually a bizarre collection and amalgamation of alloys. Not found in nature, meta-materials are constructed from multiple elements to form composite metals. The various elements are arranged in patterns, often on the microscopic level, to manipulate electromagnetic waves. They can bend these waves, absorb them, enhance them and block them for a variety of purposes. Technologically, this is an important frontier that has been talked about a lot in physics.

    Building an aircraft, for example, out of a specific meta-material which absorbs EM radiation would fundamentally make it invisible on radar, and even, with the right combination of elements, the naked eye. Perhaps you wanted to transmit a signal, like a radio wave. If the antenna used to transmit the signal is made out of this fancy new meta-material, you could fashion it using certain patterns of elements that would significantly enhance the signal and cast it across a great distance.

    The A.D.A.M. project is suggesting that anomalous aerial phenomena, UFOs basically, seem to be leaving similar materials behind. Basically, little bits of unknown aerial vehicles are showing up. While stories and accounts of UFO debris fill the narrative, like a crashed flying saucer outside of Roswell, meta-materials seem to be the next big thing in UFO research. While there exists significant disagreement on the whole UFO meta-material thing, the project is being headed up by Dr. Hal Puthoff and EarthTech International.

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    Hal Puthoff

    Dr. Puthoff has a long history in dealing with esoteric stuff, such as parapsychology and UFOs. That being said, he is an established scientist, educated at Stanford University, who focuses on exotic physics. While he has many critics, to any card-carrying member of the UFO community, he is a big name.

    I reached out to Dr. Puthoff to ask him about how this whole relationship between EarthTech and To the Stars began. While there is a clear personal connection since he does serve as the Vice President of Science and Technology for To the Stars, it goes a little deeper than that.

    He explained,
    He went on to explain that EarthTech’s analytical equipment and its engineers have the requirements which fit this type of research and analysis. He stated,
    Regardless of the facts, the UFO community has already begun to cry foul. On one side, many critics have suggested that To the Stars is running out of steam and this is just an attempt to keep the engine going a little longer. Others have suggested that this is just one big government conspiracy to collect up UFO meta-materials and hide them away from the public.

    On the less conspiratorial side, the UFO community has been pretty divided over To the Stars Academy in general. While some individuals view it as an important step in the study and research of UFOs, others have already deemed it a failure. I personally have written several articles about this organization’s potential cultural impact on UFO discourse.

    Looking at the overall history of UFO studies, what some call ‘Ufology,’ no single project or program has ever succeeded in solving the enigma. UFO reports in earlier decades used to involve saucers landing on protruding metallic legs in fields with strange looking men in jumpsuits collecting plant samples, or tall floating robots that blasted bright beams of light at witnesses. Modern-day UFO reports rarely, if ever, contain such tales anymore, at least in the United States. Assuming UFOs are a real phenomenon, it begs a serious question; do we even know what to look for?

    Perhaps meta-materials are the modern-day interpretation of the phenomenon? It is not that flying saucers didn’t use to land, and that short jump-suited men didn’t collect plant samples, nor is it that light beam shooting robots weren’t real either. It may just be how the phenomenon manifested to the witnesses during that time. The famous psychologist Carl Jung stated that flying saucers were “a living myth.” Are meta-materials merely our current cultural interpretation of the mythological UFO mystery?

    Furthermore, once we have become masters of meta-material technology, will the myths change? Everyone in the 1890’s viewed the mysterious airships in the American Midwest with their massive propellers as amazing technology. The invention of the airplane put an end to those sightings. It will be interesting to see what the UFO narrative and discourse looks like in two decades when meta-materials become more mainstream in everyday gadgets. Will people still be collecting hunks of UFO material in undisclosed desert landscapes in New Mexico, or will it be something new?

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    Does this mean that To the Stars, A.D.A.M. and Puthoff are engaged in a wild goose chase? No. They, like the rest of the UFO community, are simply working with what they think they know. Similarly, Puthoff’s critics make assumptions based on the data they currently have. If the UFO phenomenon teaches us anything, it is that nothing is static and, more importantly, nothing ought to be taken for granted. In other words, data changes, especially over time. While I have no idea if Puthoff and the A.D.A.M. project will be successful at finding otherworldly meta-materials, I am sure that the phenomenon will do its best to remain as elusive as ever.

    I asked Puthoff if TTSA had any strange meta-materials in their possession. He responded,
    As with any breakthrough, time is a major player. This project will either die emptyhanded or, hopefully, shed light on the UFO enigma. Whatever the case, I wish them the best of luck.

    I’ll conclude with something UFO researcher Chris Wolford tells me on a weekly basis in regard to the UFO phenomenon, “a tsunami is coming.” People have been saying that for decades so I’m not holding my breath just yet. That being said, I did buy a life jacket on Amazon. You know, just in case.

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  2. aNorthernSoul

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    DeLonge seems like the latest Project Camelot with a hint of Greer to me. I love(d) Blink 182 but he's even starting to ruin that for me. I don't trust that dude at all anymore.
     
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  3. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Huh? How is a team of reputable government officials and professional scientists in any way like Project Camelot or zany shyster Greer?

    This is exactly the kind of lazy thinking that I loathe about this field. People don't bother to parse the data at all - everything "seems like" something else, which is totally unrelated and dissimilar in every way.

    Dr. Eric Davis is a brilliant and audacious theoretical physicist - the kind of far-thinking innovator that we used to revere in this country for "thinking outside of the box" in a a bold and technically proficient manner. Dr. Puthoff has written some great papers in the last decade or so as well - and I looked into his claims about photonic metamaterials and, surprisingly, found that they have legitimate scientific merit: the atomic geometry of metamaterials actually offers a viable method of manipulating the stress-energy tensor of general relativity. The only remaining question is just how far that mechanism can be exploited.

    And Lue Elizondo ran a Pentagon program that researched AAVs, for roughly a decade, and I hear nothing but sincerity and genuine patriotism when that guy speaks. I don't understand how anyone could possibly miss it; this guy is on our side.

    Frankly, I'm so over the relentless cynicism that has dominated this field of interest for decades. These people got us the first-ever declassified FLIR footage of actual AAV incidents (albeit the floor clippings that the DoD deigned to declassify for us plebes, but still, it's a first). And Cmdrs. Fravor and Slaight came forward with one of the most enthralling cases in history, which has now been backed up by two USS Nimitz CSG radar operators. And the whole topic is suddenly mainstreamed via their efforts.

    But instead of enthusiasm all I see is more griping. Jesus, give it a rest already. These people have earned a chance to show us more - if not the actual benefit of doubt. Let's see where we are in a year and then decide if they're legit. Personally, I think we're in for some amazing breakthroughs, because this whole story is tracking unlike anything that I've ever seen before.
     
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  4. pigfarmer

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    Yup. For once there was a public admission of research program that seems serious. I can't say I know exactly what to make of TTSA but then again, I don't have to. Free to watch.

    Open Minds had an interview with him recently that's worth listening to that, IMO, supports precisely what you have just said.
     
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  5. Ron67

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    I find the fact that he was already,rich,famous and successful to be more compelling.He doesn't need to do it for attention or to make money,a bit like Robbie Williams in the UK he seems genuinely into it.
     
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  6. pigfarmer

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    Uhhhh .... are Hal Puthoff and Neil Warren from eHarmony the same person?
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  7. aNorthernSoul

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    I didn't say anything about anyone but DeLonge.

    I am speaking more to his interviews where he says a lot of things from unidentified sources, a lot of which are re-hashes of things we have heard countless times and/or void of any actual evidence. I also am starting to get the vibe from him that he has a pretty serious ego.

    Actually it isn't lazy thinking. I am waiting for him to hurry up and release something. He's been dropping all this hints that he will be releasing something big for a couple of years now and I am still waiting.

    I am interested in some of the more recent direction they seem to be taking but considering the track record so far, I am remaining skeptical and on guard. That isn't griping, it's warranted hesitation and waiting for him to finally do something beyond talk.

    I get what you are saying and I know he doesn't need to, but I do feel like he's enjoying the attention.
     
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  8. Thomas R. Morrison

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    That alone is strange. Because this article is about the work that his team is doing, analyzing samples. But instead of responding to that topic, you circled around it to bash DeLonge.

    If this were a thread about Tom Delonge, I could understand these kinds of points being raised, and I sympathize with them. But this isn’t a thread about Tom Delonge, this is a thread about the ADAM Project. But since you brought it up, I think that having a serious ego is part and parcel of being a rock star; humble people don’t generally enjoy standing in a spotlight in front of thousands of screaming fans.

    It boggles my mind that anyone could say this. He was the reason we learned about the AATIP. And the former director of that program has been appearing all over the media since December of last year to talk about it. And the pilots and radar operators in the Nimitz CSG case have been publicly sharing their amazing experiences. And for the first time in history, FLIR clips of actual military incidents apparently involving AAVs, have been released to the public. And suddenly, by virtue of all these developments, the MSM isn’t flippantly chuckling about the ridiculousness of this subject – which is another first, a dramatic sea change from the ridicule that AAV witnesses like me have endured throughout our lives.

    How anyone can dismiss all of this as insufficiently “big” is completely beyond me. I never thought that any of these developments would happen in my lifetime. So my response isn’t cynicism; it’s gratitude.

    TTSA has had a larger and far more positive impact on the field of serious ufology in the first six months of its existence, than MUFON has had in its nearly half century of existence...I would call that a stellar track record. As far as “beyond talk,” I think my last response demonstrates that TTSA has gone far, far “beyond talk.” And it looks to me like they’re just getting warmed up.

    Beside the fact that he is a rock star, after all, and rock stars who don’t enjoy attention don’t get very far in life, your perception of all this seems bizarrely skewed. Tom DeLonge has been far in the background of all these developments since December of 2017. Maybe I missed something, but I don’t think he’s been interviewed publicly since October of 2017. On the other hand, we have been getting many interviews with other key team members like Lue Elizondo and Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff. We’ve heard more from Chris Mellon, than Tom DeLonge, in point of fact.

    So apparently you’re not even paying attention to any of this, and therefore you don’t really know what you’re talking about, but you wanted to take a swipe at Tom DeLonge anyway – evidently for no better reason than you don’t care for him personally.

    It’s off-topic, but I’ll respond to that anyway. Tom DeLonge doesn’t come off as a serious UFO researcher – he seems too credulous, he doesn’t parse his data well, and he speaks too loosely about a subject of extreme gravitas and scientific significance. Those are his weak points. On the other hand, his passion for the subject seems 100% genuine, and he’s been building a network of very astute government insiders and scientists for many years now, and TTSA is a bold realization of those efforts, which he has invested substantial time and money and energy into for roughly 20 years, iirc. And in my estimation, he’s a very decent and sincere guy who’s earnestly trying to change the world and to inform the public about an issue of profound importance. And frankly, so far he’s made huge strides in that direction. When I weigh all of that together, I see a surprisingly capable and earnest guy who’s doing exactly what he said he’d do – get inside information released to the public, and work toward not only mainstreaming the AAVC topic, but if possible, mainstream the science of AAV research as well. What he and his team have accomplished so far stuns me. And I think, based on what they’ve released about the ADAM Project and Tom DeLonge’s bracing statements on the Joe Rogan show about previously performed photonic metamaterial research, that this is just the tip of the iceberg. If they succeed, they’ll transform the world in an extremely exciting way.

    So they have my unqualified support. I wish that more people in this world were making such audacious and credible efforts to change human civilization for the better.
     
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    for the first time ever in a internet forum i present the AATIP paper found in chris mellons website
    due to this being a no censorship platform i am uploading it here due to some doxxing present in some of the documents
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    note that this is a AE exclusive and the only other part of the internet who has seen it is twitter
     
  10. aNorthernSoul

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    Be careful not to strain yourself while making such a stretch. He is the head of the organization and the main spokesperson. It's intellectually dishonest to claim talk of him, his behavior, his motivations and his end game is not warranted when discussing the happenings of the organization he leads and founded. That is ridiculous.

    No argument there.


    I think it is also a stretch to say that he and the organization can take credit for this. While they were the first to report on the AATIP, an unclassified agency, they basically gave an official name to something many were already aware of. Not to downplay that it was good reporting on information from a good contact that they had though. It certainly was. I think it is a stretch to give them credit for the shift in how the topic is being addressed though. I do think his name helps, but I think there's been an ongoing shift for quite some time, separate from the actions of the To the Stars organization.

    I totally disagree with you. Apart from the recognition he was getting because of his name, the first six months were exactly that, a whole lot of talk and fundraising without much else.


    Beside the fact that he is a rock star, after all, and rock stars who don’t enjoy attention don’t get very far in life, your perception of all this seems bizarrely skewed. Tom DeLonge has been far in the background of all these developments since December of 2017. Maybe I missed something, but I don’t think he’s been interviewed publicly since October of 2017. On the other hand, we have been getting many interviews with other key team members like Lue Elizondo and Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff. We’ve heard more from Chris Mellon, than Tom DeLonge, in point of fact.

    Quite the contrary on all accounts. I have been, and following it since it first came out. Also, I don't dislike him at all. In fact, I was a pretty big Blink 182 fan in addition to being interested in this stuff.

    I actually do agree with your take on his passion. I believe he is passionate about it. I also agree that he seems to be getting a decent number of good quality contacts, though there are some that give me pause as well. That being said, he's also made a lot of bold claims with zero evidence to support them in addition to the few good releases that have come out. I am still in wait and see mode on this stuff because of that... though really I am on pretty much everything that requires evidence that has not been presented yet.
     
  11. Thomas R. Morrison

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    …says the guy who totally ignored the topic of this thread – the scientific study of recovered materials by Puthoff and Davis et al. at EarthTech…in order to take irrelevant swipes at Tom DeLonge.

    Total hypocrite move to call me “intellectually dishonest” for having a problem with your off-topic little personal rants against Tom DeLonge, dude.

    Clearly you didn't have a way to attack the new ADAM Project which is the subject of this thread, so you took the opportunity to bash DeLonge. That’s called a “straw man argument,” btw, which is a logical fallacy – a formal category of intellectual dishonesty.

    And like I said before - I haven't seen a single interview with Tom DeLonge since the AATIP story broke. But I've seen dozens of interviews with Luis Elizondo, and he's been doing a great job imo. So it's more than a stretch - it's pure fantasy - to call Tom DeLonge the "main spokesman" when we haven't seen a single interview with him in over 10 months, while Mr. Elizondo has been on multiple major networks and given interviews on radio and podcasts.

    So everything’s a stretch to you, evidently. Maybe your thought process is too inflexible, if you can't take small steps from a series of empirical facts to reach such a clear and well-founded conclusion.

    Nobody knew about the AATIP before it appeared in the NYT – to suggest otherwise is pure deceit. Also, the AATIP was not an agency, it was a program. And in recent weeks we’ve seen compelling evidence that the program was in fact classified: note that Sen. Reid’s 2009 letter requesting for Restricted Special Access Program (SAP) classification with a bigoted distribution list for the AATIP, was designated FOIA exempt at the bottom – and the fact that FOIA requests have been denied indicates that the program was and is still classified. And in the original NYT article this subject came up twice, and we learned that the AATIP was originally funded on black budget money, which is used to fund classified programs:

    "The shadowy program — parts of it remain classified — began in 2007, and initially it was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time and who has long had an interest in space phenomena."

    "None of the three senators wanted a public debate on the Senate floor about the funding for the program, Mr. Reid said. “This was so-called black money,” he said. “Stevens knows about it, Inouye knows about it. But that was it, and that’s how we wanted it.” Mr. Reid was referring to the Pentagon budget for classified programs."

    And we can infer from the fact that only those three Senators even knew about the program, that it was indeed classified.

    The dramatic recent shift in the media coverage about AAVs is directly attributable to the AATIP story appearing in the NYT and the Washington Post, and the subsequent pilot testimony and the videos, all of which happened because Luis Elizondo left the Pentagon to join TTSA with the express purpose of mainstreaming the topic. Clearly they’ve succeeded. These are irrefutable historical facts, and the way you’re trying to weasel around them makes me seriously question your integrity or rationality, or both.

    Obviously you’re so deeply biased that you’re blinded to reality. If anything, the UFO topic had lost substantial ground in recent decades, and wasn’t making any kind of headway in the mainstream media – to suggest otherwise only shows that you’re willing to lie in order to undermine the surprisingly successful work of TTSA to get the public and Congress to revisit this entire subject with new seriousness.

    Wrong. To The Stars Academy announced its formation on Oct 11, 2017. The New York Times story broke on Dec 16, 2017. That’s two months, not six. So everything that you have to say about this subject is nothing but lies.

    I suggest that everyone at this forum regard all of your statements with the utmost suspicion, because nothing that you’re saying is true. I’ve provided the citations to document the facts, which contradict what you’re saying, so anyone can verify them independently.

    You don’t seem to be familiar with the facts or the timeline of events, so clearly your interest in this subject is casual at best.

    And you’re making stuff up and dismissing key facts in order to undermine TTSA, so clearly you’re biased. Lots of people who liked Blink 182 are skewering Tom DeLonge now, especially people within the field of ufology.

    You just used “zero evidence” and “good releases” in the same sentence. It’s one or the other; you can’t have it both ways.

    He hasn’t (yet) supported all of his “bold claims” with evidence, but holy cow – we’ve seen an awful lot of new evidence since December 16, 2017, and less than one year since the organization was launched. Let’s make a list. Here’s all the new evidence that we’ve seen so far via TTSA:

    - We learned about the Pentagon’s AATIP, which was a shocking turnabout from the years of denial about government/military interest in the subject.

    - Sen. Reid has publicly confirmed the existence of the program and described his motivation for creating it.

    We learned about the USS Nimitz CSG case:
    - We heard from two top Navy fighter pilots who testified about their experience with an AAV
    - We’ve heard from two radar operators in the CSG at the time
    - We’ve seen the unclassified report on the incident.

    - We’ve seen the 2009 letter from Sen. Reid to the Deputy Secretary of Defense requesting Restricted SAP classification for the program.

    - We now have the list of 38 scientific papers generated for the AATIP, one of which remains classified.

    - We’ve learned about the official assessment of the AATIP that AAVs are real and “beyond next generation” aerial devices, and the five signature performance characteristics of AAVs.

    - We’ve received three declassified FLIR video clips - which is a first in the history of ufology – purportedly showing AAVs evading pursuit by military jet interceptors.

    That’s an incredible amount of compelling new evidence. Anyone who denies that is out of their effing mind. TTSA has done more for ufology in less than one year, than MUFON has accomplished in 49 years.

    So I guess you’re ignoring all of the evidence that I've just cited? Whatever.

    In fact the only evidence that we haven’t seen yet is actual recovered material from AAV events. And the ADAM Project is currently analyzing some potentially exotic materials, so we may even have that soon.

    Crikey – how anyone can look at all of this and not be impressed with what TTSA has accomplished so far, nor be excited about the impending new developments, is completely beyond me…
     
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  12. aNorthernSoul

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    Bull. You are somewhat full of it and you should really refrain from this pretentious way you have about you. If what you and them claim is true then put their money where their mouth is and show these "recovered materials from unidentified craft." They talk a big game but there's no evidence presented as of yet. And this Puthoff character isn't exactly highly regarded amongst his peers either.

    No it isn't. You are being intellectually dishonest. You're viewing this with blinders, dude. It isn't just DeLonge I question. I question a lot of talk with no evidence. They keep talking about what they are working on but have yet to provide anything tangible that can be peer reviewed or properly evaluated.

    Actually, they just haven't provided anything worth a look. Unless they can provide they actually have materials recovered from unidentified craft, it's just a lot more talk of no value. That is just honest. You acting like they do and that I am the bad guy here is intellectually dishonest.


    Sorry. I like facts and evidence. I am not big on talk and hyperbole. I'm sorry if that is too big a stretch for you.


    Actually we did. We all talked about it. We just didn't have a formal name for it.

    I am stopping here. I honestly feel like you aren't worth my time at this point. You're a very abrasive person who likes to talk a lot of crap but is too blinded to see how you're so committed to this without any proper evidence to the point that you defend it with such violent vigor that you've reached near religious levels of fanaticism.

    It's honestly tired. I tried to bite my tongue as long as I could, but there it is. I couldn't any longer.
     
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  13. Thomas R. Morrison

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    That’s called an ad hominem attack, which is another logical fallacy, further proving your own intellectual dishonesty.

    If you don't like my tone then you only have yourself to blame - people tend to get angry when you impugn their character. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

    What a joke – you’re dismissing everything that we’ve already received via these people, because you don’t have a piece of AAV wreckage yet.

    They’re working on detailed physical analyses of material samples right now. Science takes time, god forbid.

    But we already know about the results of analyses conducted with Jacques Vallée on the samples from Argentina, which showed non-naturally occurring isotopic ratios. They found a perfectly uniform distribution of three stable isotopes of a single element, which can only be achieved technologically, by separating them into pure single isotopes and then recombining them artificially. So the empirical evidence is already out there. TTSA is working on providing more of it. And all you can do is complain that we don't have the test results yet. Oy vey.

    You’re totally right...if you’re willing to ignore all of the evidence that I just cited in my last post. Which would be absurd – the Nimitz case alone is a gold mine; clearly one of the most important cases in the history of ufology.

    His papers are published in respected peer-reviewed science journals, so clearly his peers find him credible, or his work wouldn’t get published.

    The only instance where that’s true, is the material that they’re now analyzing. You have to wait for the results, like everyone else. Get over it; science takes time.

    Haha…that’s hilarious. That's like complaining when Ed McMahon shows up at your doorstep with a check for $10 million, because it hasn't cleared your bank account yet. Some people can find something to complain about in any situation, apparently.

    So you’re complaining like a spoiled child because these people haven’t given you a piece of a UFO yet? Jesus. It must be nice to feel so entitled to complete and instant gratification. Why don’t you focus your rancor on the DoD? They certainly have that kind of physical evidence in their possession right now, and the results of the tests that they've conducted on it. They're the ones holding out on us. TTSA has to try to collect that evidence from the public domain and conduct all of the research from scratch and then write a scientific report summing up the results of several types of physical analyses...and you’re bellyaching because they haven’t collected that evidence and analyzed it and released their results yet…and they only started that program one month ago. What's the word for “a pathological level of impatience?”

    If you like facts then why are you ignoring all of them? That’s a rhetorical question btw.

    How about several official documents, three declassified FLIR videos, and the testimony of; the former Senator who founded the AATIP, the former Director of the AATIP, two of our top fighter pilots, and two USS Nimitz CSG radar operators – because that’s a damn good start, imo. And the physical evidence is coming, evidently. So rather than bitching, I’m waiting.

    BS. We've all assumed that the military had some kind of program looking into AAVs because it would be insane to not have at least one such program investigating such an important subject - but that's a far cry from knowing that such a program actually existed, and what kind of work they were doing, and what kind of conclusions they reached.

    You’re an incredibly sanctimonious cynic who totally ignores all of the evidence that we’ve received so far, and all that we’ve learned in the last year, and the tidal shift in the mainstream press regarding this subject….just because you don’t have irrefutable physical evidence yet.

    That’s an outlandishly myopic and childish view to take, imo, especially in a thread that signals the first real hope that we’ve ever had that we’re finally going to get the physical evidence that you say you want.

    You’re not just looking a gift horse in the mouth, you’re shooting it in the face.

    I’m glad that one of us has the patience to wait for the results of the scientific analyses now underway. This kind of work typically takes several months; it's totally irrational to throw a tantrum just because the results aren't ready after a single month.
     
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  14. aNorthernSoul

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    Dude, you've been "attacking" me every time you disagree with anything I say. Badgers are cute. Your badgering is not. You were spoken to the way you were speaking to me and now you're having a little cry about it.

    I never impugned your character, unless you are Tom Delonge... but in reality, even if you were I didn't. I merely stated my hesitation regarding him and why. I didn't say he was full of it, I said I was leery and said I am still at the "wait and see" stage but it concerns me as he is starting to come off similar to Project Camelot type material. Then when prompted for my thoughts on the rest of the organization, I gave credit where it was due and raised my concerns where that was due as well.

    Anyway, you aren't worth my time. I am not even reading the rest of your latest little rant. The fact of the matter is, you were replied to in the same tone that you used to address me. Now that I see the fanboy mentality and blinders, I am realising that further discourse with you is a complete waste of my time.

    Ciao.
     
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  15. Shadowprophet

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    This reminded me a lot of Aluminium Oxynitride Aluminium oxynitride - Wikipedia
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    Transparent aluminium is a metamaterial It is basically A ceramic, composed of aluminium, ceramic and nitrogen

    The Formula and I had to look this Up, I didn't have this Right on the tip of the brain, I mean who really would? (AlN)x·(Al2O3)1-x, 0.30 ≤ x ≤ 0.37

    It has a density of 3.7 g/cm³ Because It is transparent it has a refractive index of 1.79 and a melting point of 2150 C. Its atomic lattice constant is a = 794.6 pm Its appearance can be Transparent or solid white.

    To be honest, I think Transparent aluminium has been around for at least five years or more now, And metamaterials have come a long way since then.
     
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  16. Shadowprophet

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    He's not attacking, Thomas Is a legitimate Physicist, Most of what he says when it comes to Science is an empirical fact.
    I only say this because It's hard for some people to accept when they are mistaken, I've studied physics for over a decade And I had the same issue as you at first, Thomas is here to Teach people legitimate physics, To be honest, It's a lucky break for people who want to learn physics. Because I've been to college, it costs money, Education is locked behind a paywall and you can't get this information Thomas is spitting out, Anywhere for free, But here.

    It's a lucky break for anyone who loves science that Thomas is around. I'm not telling anyone how to think or act or anything, I'm just saying, Someone, can learn a lot of valuable things from Thomas if they would just hear him out.
     
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  17. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    well you are a very hard guy to debate with, you are so TTSA biased that any proof that they are wrong will trigger you
    you are making the same mistake that the guys that believed in the MJ-12, steven greer or the roswell slides made: thinking that not only disclosure is coming very soon but also that disclosure has a date attached to it, both claims are false
    i think that its time to embrance the harsh reality: UFOs will remain a mistery for centuries and no magical evidence will save it
     
  18. Dejan Corovic

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    Without diminishing opinion of other ppl, I would say, that we are all very lucky that @Thomas R. Morrison is here to help with scant UFO physical evidence and give informed opinion on relativity and cosmology. Study of UFOs, based on just 'common sense', is waste of time without knowledge of physics. Like magic, physics, particularly late 20th century and 21st century physics, clear the fog of UFO mysticisam.

    If it hapens that you don't now physics, please, just watch some of zillions of YouTube videos where talented educators are competing with each other to offer tones of edutainment with simplest possible explanations and animations for benefit of public. Human knowledge is so wast, that there is absulutely no shame in not knowing something. I don't know a ton of things, but with aid of search engines and YouTube I saved myself hundreds of hours from reading science books loaded with equations, when all I wanted was just the intuition. If matehematics is mother of all sciences, physics is the father. Physics is the most exciting of all sciencies because all other sciencies come out of physics.

    Without physics all we are left is 'character assasinations' and kwack theories, like: "gravity is magnetism' or 'UFO converts into plasma and than back into matter'. Or should I quote Linda Howe Whatever and here "transdimensional labels" and war between "Nordic aliens" and "reptilians".

    That is utterly wrong. Most people don't know or deliberately ignore the fact that there is a large number of scientists who stand behind the claim that UFOs are here, like:

    • nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman,
    • astronomer Dr. Alan Hynek,
    • physicist Dr. Bruce Maccabee,
    • astrophysicist Dr. Mark Rodeghier,
    • aerodynamicist eng. Paul Hill from McDonnald Douglas,
    • physicist Peter Sturrock from Stanford,
    • computer scientist Jacques Vallée,
    • physicist Dr. A. Messen,
    • nuclear physicist James Hall.

    There is a solid, scientific, undebunkable material evidence that UFOs are here. Here is a whole list of papers by various scientists. Paticularly this one:

    UFO REPORTS INVOLVING VEHICLE INTERFERENCE
    by Dr. Mark Rodeghier

    Or just go for short explanation for Dr. Mark Rodeghier's work. Try debunking that one ;-) (obviously, with scientific reasoning)
     
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  19. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    i have problems with these two
     
  20. Thomas R. Morrison

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    I appreciate your kind and supportive words Shadowprophet. I did get too rough with him though - being called intellectually dishonest really set me off. I take great care to provide the verifiable data and the logic behind my conclusions, on pretty much any subject so anyone can take issue with either or both, and debate them with me fairly and squarely. Instead, this guy impugned my character, rather than responding to any of the data or the totally transparent reasoning that I provided. That's fighting dirty, imo. But I should've ignored him instead of losing my temper. I think it brought back my sense of outrage regarding the endless and pointless ugly battles that I had with the little army of wicked cynics that eventually made The Paracast forums totally intolerable, and I do not want to see that kind of snide negativity take root here.

    I have a deep intolerance for irrational thinking, and I defend my views with facts and logic, albeit sometimes too vehemently. But debating is a Darwinian process: memes meet on the battlefield and duke it out until, ideally, the best memes win.

    Wrong about what? I've cited a series of empirical facts that have come to light via TTSA over the last nine months. We can debate the significance of those developments, but I see no claims that you could call "wrong."

    The former Director of the AATIP at the Pentagon has come forward and revealed that A.) the government has been studying AAVs after all, B.) they concluded that they're real, advanced physical devices with five signature performance characteristics, and C.) we now have legitimate documentation pertaining to the program and its conclusions as well as three declassified FLIR videos.

    Obviously that is all, by definition, disclosure. The only thing we don't have, yet, is physical evidence in the form of alien technology or a dead alien body. And they're currently working on the first one.

    So how anyone could complain about them defies reason.

    Unlike the MJ-12 documents, and unlike the bogus Roswell slides, and unlike Steven Greer, TTSA has revealed a very real and official government research program into the AAV phenomenon, and they've provided genuine documents and extremely compelling testimony related to that program and this subject in general.

    It's ludicrous to draw false comparisons between any one of those hoaxes, and what we've learned from these people. They couldn't be more dissimilar.

    Carefully analyzed physical material from AAV incidents is not magical; it's actual evidence. You're only hostile to it because the totally irrational, wildly superstitious "extradimensional ultraterrestrial" pipe dream is your personal religion. You attack anything and everything that threatens it, indiscriminately. Personally, I think you're panicking, because we already have a compelling raft of new evidence that cripples the validity of your religion, and within the next few months we'll probably have irrefutable scientific proof that you've been totally wrong all along.

    We'll see. I'm patient. I've waited decades for a serious scientific investigation of this subject in the public sector. Now that it's finally happening, I trust that it will achieve what science always achieves: real understanding.

    Thank you Dejan, I appreciate your support and your scientific approach to this subject. In fact I was delighted last night when I heard Dr. Kevin Knuth - an absolutely brilliant physicist and information scientist, respond to a question about the utility of anecdotal information pertaining to this subject. After a brief pause, he responded by saying that the statistical analysis of anecdotal case data could offer a great deal of insight into this subject - exactly as you've been arguing very effectively for quite awhile now. It was great to hear such an incredible mind concur with you - in fact his entire interview was impeccably rational and insightful. I recommend that everyone listen to it, but especially people like you who value scientific reasoning and a rigorous analytical approach to this subject - here it is:

    Conversation 11 – Kevin Knuth

    Nobody's perfect, but Stanton Friedman is a magnificent scientist. In fact Dr. Knuth cited him as the inspiration to dig into ufology and thoroughly educate himself on the subject. And the results of that effort have yielded a wealth of scientific insights and his recent call for a serious scientific investigation of this topic in this article:

    Are we alone? The question is worthy of serious scientific study
     
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