The State of Ufology

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  1. Sheltie

    Sheltie good to the last drop

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    Is that the belief that aliens and ufos are being created by Satan or someone similar to deceive us?
     
  2. JahaRa

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    I think it is still popular with some groups. Whitley Strieber is one who talks about that and about the idea that the tricksters are not physical beings, but are able to temporarily become physical. My experiences lead me to believe that there are the physical vehicles that may or may not be military or black ops experiments, the abductions by military or black ops mind experimenters, and the non-physical experiences that a lot of people think have a physical element.
     
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  3. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    Yeah I forgot about Strieber, he does like that cosmic trickster hypothesis, if it can be called that lol...

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  4. nivek

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    Nah, not really satan but non-corporeal being(s), I haven't heard of satan being referenced as the cosmic trickster in ufology but there are some religious folk who think satan is behind the alleged alien visitations, those people think the aliens are really demons in disguise...

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  5. Standingstones

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    If you want to investigate the theory of extraterrestrials as demons or fallen angels you may wish to check out Nick Redfern’s book “Final Events.”

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  6. Cosmic Cat

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    No Satan behind the alien visitations it's just bad crack....
     
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  7. SOUL-DRIFTER

    SOUL-DRIFTER Life Long Researcher

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    That idea is no better than "Flat Earther". IMHO
     
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  8. Cosmic Cat

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    I have been meaning to get that book but have not bought it yet....

    Would almost agree with you.
     
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  9. Spaceman spiff

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    According to Elizondo and some others theres a lot of these people in the US government and their reluctance and outright superstition is why many dont want to even touch the subject. WTF I just ask.
     
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  10. nivek

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    That's an indication to me that we need better more qualified people in the US government if they're allowing superstition to govern their actions or lack there of...

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  11. pigfarmer

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    This sort of phrase is probably banned these days but John B Alexander really did sum it all up nicely several years ago - it's about budgets not necessarily good ideas and UFOs have always been a political 'tar baby' to anyone who touches it. Even now.
     
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  12. Spaceman spiff

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    It would be nice to see some fresher ideas there. In my country theres also this very conservative group still, that cant probably even fathom the idea of aliens. Their universe basically ends at the end of their home field.
     
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  13. Standingstones

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    Have you noticed that with all this talk about Tic Tac UFOs and a general openness these past few years about the UFO subject that there is one agency that has been tight lipped. That is the US Air Force. You know, the one group charged to defend our air space. Not one peep out of these people. It makes me wonder what is going on and why it was left up to Navy fighter pilots to break this story.
     
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  14. pigfarmer

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    Agreed. But weren't there anecdotal accounts of Air Force officers taking possession of certain materials from the Nimitz incident? I'm doubtful but you never know
     
  15. Spaceman spiff

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    Well the US Air Force hasn't been straight with this subject ever since they opted to take the easy way out after the Condon report. Not surprised they continue to be so tight lipped. Suspicious? Sure.
     
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  16. Spaceman spiff

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    It would be more than sad. It would be pathetic.
     
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  17. pigfarmer

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    Thought this was a good spot for this - a peek at contemporary ufology. Always been a pot luck soup of personalities and nothing has changed.

    I listen to The Black Vault podcast. Not exactly to my taste but I come back to it because John Greenewald is one of those people who has been plugging away for quite some time and has done good work. I've been told he can be a dick on social media - maybe so. But I recently listened to an episode on his podcast plus these two on A Different Perspective.

    https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aH...rZXIuY29tL3Nob3cvMjA2OTQyMS9lcGlzb2Rlcy9mZWVk

    All are conversations with Anthony Bragalia.

    Then today in the background I listened to another Black Vault in which Mick West and Robert Powell had a decent conversation about the Nimitz encounters.

    Ep. #73 – Robert Powell and Mick West on The Nimitz UFO Encounter - The Black Vault

    Greenewald did a decent job as moderator. Both guests spoke their piece. Mick West probably won the silver loving cup for quiet composure. Powell's case rests on not just witness testimony but a very specific version of a specific piece of testimony. At the very end West says that there are some things that are provable facts that should be verified. To the uninitiated like me who doesn't really follow anybody I asked why that hadn't been done yet - I mean this has been going on for years now.

    So go ahead and have a listen. All these are more about classic ufology behavior and personalities than the cases themselves.
     
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