Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

[Ron67]

I am just self-indulging myself. I posted the following item on the Paracast Forum under the Greg Bishop thread. Greg was the guest last Sunday. I know Gene will destroy the post, but perhaps a few people will see it first.

"Gene, I paid for Paracast Plus through October 2018. Yet suddenly my account seems to have been deleted. Perhaps I said something that annoyed you. Nonetheless, you must realize that you are offering a service which I prepaid for through October 2018. You are therefore breaking the terms of a contractual agreement. This is illegal. If you do not restore my account, I will be forced to take legal action to force you to do so. This is a matter of principle. When people pay you money unfront for a service, you do not have the right to terminate that service just because someone says something you do not like. I have knowledge of others who paid for a 5 year Paracast Plus service. Then they did something you did not like and you terminated the account. Again, that is illegal. If someone pays for a service, the provider is bound to provide that service for the prepaid period even if that particular customer turns out to be rude or obnoxious. As a former AT&T Help Line agent, I had to deal with such customers all the time. Simply banning them was NOT an allowed response."

Just liked your post on there!.

 

[nivek]

A few months ago I knew little to nothing of this unscrupulous opportunist, although of course I was quite aware of the forum and visited as a guest and read many threads there for many years, but never looked into the hoopla of its owner until a month or so ago...It is still astonishing to me, the level at which his impetuous enterprise of trumpery has carried on, kind of like a dommerer...

 

[Thomas R. Morrison]

I am so glad you are here. I am a thought police refugee from the Paracast forum also. Regarding the ETH, must it really be "either or"?

Thank you for the kind welcome, Beyond The Star Gate. I think it's highly likely that there are more things going on in addition to the ETH. My only point is that it's almost certainly a central feature of the sighting phenomenon, given what we know about the universe today. And since their propulsion method seems to be gravitational field propulsion (the performance characteristics are a perfect 1-to-1 match), that means that their technology can manipulate spacetime. The only question remaining is the extent to which they can manipulate spacetime.

Your abduction experiences sound terrifying. I'm glad they stopped. But I'm reticent to read anything religious into it - I've heard of other cases where such appeals to God and Christ have failed. Perhaps the fact that you managed to speak at all, indicated to them that their technology wasn't 100% effective in controlling you, so they didn't want to risk their safety by continuing to abduct you. I dunno, just thinking out loud here. I have no idea what to make of the abduction phenomenon, but stories like yours that involve real physical effects give me serious concerns about it.

I'm a bit baffled by your statements about being banned at The Paracast - you wouldn't be able to post there if you had been banned. But you just did, so you weren't banned.

A few months ago I knew little to nothing of this unscrupulous opportunist, although of course I was quite aware of the forum and visited as a guest and read many threads there for many years, but never looked into the hoopla of its owner until a month or so ago...It is still astonishing to me, the level at which his impetuous enterprise of trumpery has carried on, kind of like a dommerer...

I find this all very confusing - I've been at The Paracast forums for years and I've never received any messages from Gene asking for money. I don't know anyone there who has. Ron - have you ever gotten a private solicitation from Gene? I have some strong ideological disagreements with Gene, but I've never encountered the kind of behavior that he's being accused of here. I am however aware of a long smear campaign against him, so I'm wondering if all this begging for money business is even a real thing or if it's manufactured defamation of character. I've seen him make posts on facebook requesting financial help, but I never held it against him - I see no harm in it. Honestly I feel bad for him; it must be awful to be in your 70s and have no level of financial security. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

[Beyond The Star Gate]

I'm a bit baffled by your statements about being banned at The Paracast - you wouldn't be able to post there if you had been banned. But you just did, so you weren't banned.
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I was banned from the Forum using the moniker Shea Olmsford. That probably does not ring a bell since I did not post very often. That account is affiliated with my new email address with which I signed up for Paracast Plus. Previously, I had a different moniker and email address that Gene missed. I used this old one to make the post OK?

 

[Beyond The Star Gate]

I find this all very confusing - I've been at The Paracast forums for years and I've never received any messages from Gene asking for money. I don't know anyone there who has. Ron - have you ever gotten a private solicitation from Gene? I have some strong ideological disagreements with Gene, but I've never encountered the kind of behavior that he's being accused of here. I am however aware of a long smear campaign against him, so I'm wondering if all this begging for money business is even a real thing or if it's manufactured defamation of character. I've seen him make posts on facebook requesting financial help, but I never held it against him - I see no harm in it. Honestly I feel bad for him; it must be awful to be in your 70s and have no level of financial security. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Now I am beginning to wonder about your motive for posting here. Perhaps you need an education. I was solicited many times by Gene in email. If you sign up for the newsletter you seem to be on his begging list. Here are a couple urls that should brief you sufficiently. If these do not convince you of long term wrong doing (in terms of fraudulent claims over a 12+ year period with one continual emergency after another), then I give up. Stating the FACTS is NOT a smear campaign unless you are involved in shady dealings that you wish to keep hidden.

The UFO Trail: Gene Steinberg Personal 'Emergency' Cash Solicitations Span Years, Hundreds of Emails

The UFO Trail: Updates on Paracast Host Gene Steinberg 'Emergency' Cash Solicitations

 

[The shadow]

I can say with 100% certainty the only person who can terminate a para cast plus account is GENE

 

[Ron67]

Thank you for the kind welcome, Beyond the Star Gate. I think it's highly likely that there are more things going on in addition to the ETH. My only point is that it's almost certainly a central feature of the sighting phenomenon, given what we know about the universe today. And since their propulsion method seems to be gravitational field propulsion (the performance characteristics are a perfect 1-to-1 match), that means that their technology can manipulate spacetime. The only question remaining is the extent to which they can manipulate spacetime.

Your abduction experiences sound terrifying. I'm glad they stopped. But I'm reticent to read anything religious into it - I've heard of other cases where such appeals to God and Christ have failed. Perhaps the fact that you managed to speak at all, indicated to them that their technology wasn't 100% effective in controlling you, so they didn't want to risk their safety by continuing to abduct you. I dunno, just thinking out loud here. I have no idea what to make of the abduction phenomenon, but stories like yours that involve real physical effects give me serious concerns about it.

I'm a bit baffled by your statements about being banned at The Paracast - you wouldn't be able to post there if you had been banned. But you just did, so you weren't banned.


I find this all very confusing - I've been at The Paracast forums for years and I've never received any messages from Gene asking for money. I don't know anyone there who has. Ron - have you ever gotten a private solicitation from Gene? I have some strong ideological disagreements with Gene, but I've never encountered the kind of behavior that he's being accused of here. I am however aware of a long smear campaign against him, so I'm wondering if all this begging for money business is even a real thing or if it's manufactured defamation of character. I've seen him make posts on facebook requesting financial help, but I never held it against him - I see no harm in it. Honestly I feel bad for him; it must be awful to be in your 70s and have no level of financial security. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I regularly get emails asking if I can help every week and have done for years.They go to both my inbox and spam. Possibly due to the fact that I once gave a $10 dollars donation to Gene and paid to download Chris's music.

 

[humanoidlord]

Honest answer.
I don't know goggs well.
For what it is worth. I would delete Genes begging emails. I ignored it untill
The day I caught him in a bald face lie
You see in august 2017 i was robbed.
My wallet car phone stolen.
Took me 20 min to get to a phone.
By then the thieves had used my credit card and debit card. There were pin rejections. One call to the bank.
My cards cancelled.
The charges disputed.
By early next morning the money was credited.
My credit card took 3 days to fix.
After 5 days I was back in bussness..
Took 30 days for the garbage to go off my credit report.
Soo..if it took 1 day to fix my debit card.
3 days to fix my credit card.
And all money lost restored right away.
Why did it take 10 to 20 bussness days to restore money to Gene?
The answer is simple Gene was lying.
There was no hack.

he is obviously lying, nobody is that unlucky

 

[humanoidlord]

Thank you humanoidlord - honestly I didn't realize that anybody noticed that thread, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. I still consider the scientific writings (and successful predictions) of Daniel Fry to be a genuine and fascinating enigma. People underestimate the power of asking the right, simple questions. And if nothing else, Fry's books raise a number of crucial questions that drive at the heart of some of the most profound outstanding questions in physics today.

loved those posts, its a subject that needs more discussion

 

[Thomas R. Morrison]

I was banned from the Forum using the moniker Shea Olmsford. That probably does not ring a bell since I did not post very often. That account is affiliated with my new email address with which I signed up for Paracast Plus. Previously, I had a different moniker and email address that Gene missed. I used this old one to make the post OK?

Oh okay, that makes sense now. I remember your posts as Shea Olmsford - we chatted briefly about Art Bell shortly after he died. I didn't know that account had been banned until just now. Kind of amazing that a site with maybe 6 or 7 active posters is so quick to ban people for dubious reasons.

Now I am beginning to wonder about your motive for posting here. Perhaps you need an education. I was solicited many times by Gene in email. If you sign up for the newsletter you seem to be on his begging list. Here are a couple urls that should brief you sufficiently. If these do not convince you of long term wrong doing (in terms of fraudulent claims over a 12+ year period with one continual emergency after another), then I give up. Stating the FACTS is NOT a smear campaign unless you are involved in shady dealings that you wish to keep hidden.

The UFO Trail: Gene Steinberg Personal 'Emergency' Cash Solicitations Span Years, Hundreds of Emails

The UFO Trail: Updates on Paracast Host Gene Steinberg 'Emergency' Cash Solicitations

Ease up Shea; I was simply unaware of this stuff, because I've never been solicited.

I regularly get emails asking if I can help every week and have done for years.They go to both my inbox and spam. Possibly due to the fact that I once gave a $10 dollars donation to Gene and paid to download Chris's music.

That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. I never signed up for the newsletter - he posts it on the forums so I didn't see any point in signing up for it. Now I'm glad I didn't.

 

[humanoidlord]

Greetings, People of Earth! Thomas, it's good to see you here.

As others have noted, the Paracast Meltdown is like a train wreck. Hard to keep from watching no matter how nasty or surreal it gets. I left that dump some time last year when I could no longer ignore the hypocrisy. That loony "moderator" Mike and his cowardly behavior was the last straw. Chris O'Brien, the main reason I stayed around there after DB got disgusted and left, was acting weird and not being any fun at all. I told Gene I had had enough of the panhandling and wanted to close my account. He wouldn't do that! What kind of brain dead... well, anyway I never missed it one bit. I did manage to get my account closed, by being banned for "threatening" Gene. My threat was to go elsewhere and tell the truth about Mike's abysmal "moderating". What a weenie.

Just a while ago, I discovered I am still getting the begging emails, even after having been banned. My email site has been automatically putting them in the trash, where they have been going for years. That putz is still spamming me!

Anyway, this looks like a nice place. I'm looking forward to some lively discussion on more interesting topics. I can say that Thomas R. Morrison is a most valuable contributor and a thoughtful person. I'm sure I know a few more of y'all. Did I see Dr. Wu here somewhere? Hey, Doc. How ya doin'?

dr wu was a menber here a while ago, dunno what happened to him
also hi!

 

[Beyond The Star Gate]

I am publicly discussing that my account is not recognized on the Paracast even though I prepaid for Paracast Plus through Oct 1 2018. If I made a stupid mistake and Gene did nothing wrong, I will admit it on the Paracast forum and here. Right now he is claiming that my identity as Shea Olmsford never existed, i.e., he can't find it anywhere. Yet even Thomas remembers my posts. That is just odd. But I am still open to all this being a glitch of some sort. I posted my Paypal transaction that clearly shows me as SheaOlmsford. So now the ball is in Gene's court. If he does just get rid of prepaid accounts when the owner angers him, then perhaps he will just reinstate me and think twice about doing that again. If instead I am at fault somehow, then I will again confess it publicly. Interestingly, a few new people are jumping on me like ravenous dogs. One guy has only made 5 posts so far but has come off as a punk fanboy.

London Bob posted:

I REPORTED YOUR POST. I DON'T KNOW WHY GENE DOESN'T STRAIGHT OUT KICK YOUR ASS OFF THE FORUM.

SHEA OLMSFORD, TROLL SUPREME

Then he posted a photo of me. This guy is not normal. No response from Gene who usually seems to spend all day monitoring the Paracast forum for any signs of disloyalty.

 

[Ron67]

I am publicly discussing that my account is not recognized on the Paracast even though I prepaid for Paracast Plus through Oct 1 2018. If I made a stupid mistake and Gene did nothing wrong, I will admit it on the Paracast forum and here. Right now he is claiming that my identity as Shea Olmsford never existed, i.e., he can't find it anywhere. Yet even Thomas remembers my posts. That is just odd. But I am still open to all this being a glitch of some sort. I posted my Paypal transaction that clearly shows me as SheaOlmsford. So now the ball is in Gene's court. If he does just get rid of prepaid accounts when the owner angers him, then perhaps he will just reinstate me and think twice about doing that again. If instead I am at fault somehow, then I will again confess it publicly. Interestingly, a few new people are jumping on me like ravenous dogs. One guy has only made 5 posts so far but has come off as a punk fanboy.

I too clearly remember Shea Olmsford so it is odd Gene can't find any reference.

 

[Beyond The Star Gate]

dr wu was a menber here a while ago, dunno what happened to him
also hi!

People who talk too candidly about Gene and ufology tend to disappear. Be very afraid. As Steve Quayle (Christian right wing conspiracy fanatic) once said, there are black semi-trucks moving through the country. Inside the back of each truck there is a portable crematorium. Each black truck is given targets to eliminate across America. The person vanishes literally into smoke. Steve thought that good Christian leaders were being eliminated to bring in the atheist apocalypse, but I think those back semi-trucks are also taking out people who talk too much on forums. (Sinister laughter).

UPDATE: A modern touch would be to claim that Hillary Clinton and Obama are driving 2 of the trucks. LOL

Just messing with you. Steve Quayle did say these things, but so far no Christian leaders have turned up missing. They are safe in their 10 million dollar mansions and zooming from coast to coast in their 53 million dollar private jets.

 

[humanoidlord]

I am publicly discussing that my account is not recognized on the Paracast even though I prepaid for Paracast Plus through Oct 1 2018. If I made a stupid mistake and Gene did nothing wrong, I will admit it on the Paracast forum and here. Right now he is claiming that my identity as Shea Olmsford never existed, i.e., he can't find it anywhere. Yet even Thomas remembers my posts. That is just odd. But I am still open to all this being a glitch of some sort. I posted my Paypal transaction that clearly shows me as SheaOlmsford. So now the ball is in Gene's court. If he does just get rid of prepaid accounts when the owner angers him, then perhaps he will just reinstate me and think twice about doing that again. If instead I am at fault somehow, then I will again confess it publicly. Interestingly, a few new people are jumping on me like ravenous dogs. One guy has only made 5 posts so far but has come off as a punk fanboy.

London Bob posted:

I REPORTED YOUR POST. I DON'T KNOW WHY GENE DOESN'T STRAIGHT OUT KICK YOUR ASS OFF THE FORUM.

SHEA OLMSFORD, TROLL SUPREME

Then he posted a photo of me. This guy is not normal. No response from Gene who usually seems to spend all day monitoring the Paracast forum for any signs of disloyalty.

i dont want to spread false rumors, but could it be a gene sockpuppet?

 

[Beyond The Star Gate]

i dont want to spread false rumors, but could it be a gene sockpuppet?

For those without access to the Paracast Forum, someone there seems to have deleted all of London Bob's vicious (dripping in acid and a bad childhood) posts. Thomas (my hero) posted that perhaps London Bob was a troll that has been troubling the forum. So someone is reading the posts and taking action. But no word yet on my account.

UPDATE: Ron, thanks for acting as a character witness also to my existence there, since so far Gene claims that I never existed. I guess that is a step up from being "Enemy" of the State to being "Non-existent".

 

[The shadow]

One more thing about Genes alleged hack.
There is no police report as a public record.
No media of a hack in mesa.
Every bank in America MUST use the same prossess.
If you Do not beleve what I say CALL your bank!
Money lost in a hack is replaced 48 hours tops!
Why?
Banks are liable for money lost in a hack!
And a little government agency called the FDIC.
Sorry Gene was never hacked!

 

[The shadow]

Thank you for the kind welcome, Beyond The Star Gate. I think it's highly likely that there are more things going on in addition to the ETH. My only point is that it's almost certainly a central feature of the sighting phenomenon, given what we know about the universe today. And since their propulsion method seems to be gravitational field propulsion (the performance characteristics are a perfect 1-to-1 match), that means that their technology can manipulate spacetime. The only question remaining is the extent to which they can manipulate spacetime.

Your abduction experiences sound terrifying. I'm glad they stopped. But I'm reticent to read anything religious into it - I've heard of other cases where such appeals to God and Christ have failed. Perhaps the fact that you managed to speak at all, indicated to them that their technology wasn't 100% effective in controlling you, so they didn't want to risk their safety by continuing to abduct you. I dunno, just thinking out loud here. I have no idea what to make of the abduction phenomenon, but stories like yours that involve real physical effects give me serious concerns about it.

I'm a bit baffled by your statements about being banned at The Paracast - you wouldn't be able to post there if you had been banned. But you just did, so you weren't banned.


I find this all very confusing - I've been at The Paracast forums for years and I've never received any messages from Gene asking for money. I don't know anyone there who has. Ron - have you ever gotten a private solicitation from Gene? I have some strong ideological disagreements with Gene, but I've never encountered the kind of behavior that he's being accused of here. I am however aware of a long smear campaign against him, so I'm wondering if all this begging for money business is even a real thing or if it's manufactured defamation of character. I've seen him make posts on facebook requesting financial help, but I never held it against him - I see no harm in it. Honestly I feel bad for him; it must be awful to be in your 70s and have no level of financial security. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

While homelessness is a dire fate. I can assure you that Gene has been doing this for YEARS

 

[Double Nought Spy]

I am publicly discussing that my account is not recognized on the Paracast even though I prepaid for Paracast Plus through Oct 1 2018. If I made a stupid mistake and Gene did nothing wrong, I will admit it on the Paracast forum and here. Right now he is claiming that my identity as Shea Olmsford never existed, i.e., he can't find it anywhere. Yet even Thomas remembers my posts. That is just odd. But I am still open to all this being a glitch of some sort. I posted my Paypal transaction that clearly shows me as SheaOlmsford. So now the ball is in Gene's court. If he does just get rid of prepaid accounts when the owner angers him, then perhaps he will just reinstate me and think twice about doing that again. If instead I am at fault somehow, then I will again confess it publicly.

Gosh, it would take a special kind of sleaze bag to pretend he can't find anything about your account or your payment. Surely that can't be the case. He must just be an incredibly incompetent bumbler of a webmaster/tech guru.

 

[The shadow]

Gosh, it would take a special kind of sleaze bag to pretend he can't find anything about your account or your payment. Surely that can't be the case. He must just be an incredibly incompetent bumbler of a webmaster/tech guru.

Only gene had access to the para cast plus accounts.. totally on him