Trump, What's up with This Dude?

[The shadow]

My daughter Kate who recently finished her 1st year at law school read what she could of the public indictment . " It is a strong case. We have recordings. We have credible witnesses. Problem is Donald Trump can never get a fair trial. He can never be guaranteed 12 citizens who are already made up Thier minds!*

 

[nivek]

Trump says Secret Service FOUND who brought cocaine into the WH and claims agency 'knows everything' - after it closed its probe without a suspect​

Donald Trump insists that the Secret Service was able to find out who brought cocaine into the White House - despite the agency closing the investigation last week unsolved. The former president said the U.S. Secret Service (USSS) is filled with 'smart' people and said it 'impossible' that they haven't found the culprit. An agent found a bag with less than a gram of cocaine in the cubby of a cell phone lockbox in the West Wing on July 2, leading to a hazmat evacuation of the White House. Secret Service launched an investigation to find who brought the illicit drug into one of the most secure locations in the U.S.

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[nivek]

Republicans react with fury to 'brazen' timing of bombshell new Trump indictment and claim charges were filed to distract from Biden family scandals after First Son's sweetheart deal collapsed​

Republican lawmakers claimed the federal government is releasing new charges against Trump to distract from Hunter Biden's alleged crimes. Special Counsel Jack Smith's team of prosecutors unveiled additional charges against Trump Thursday night for keeping classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate. But it only came after the Department of Justice's deal with Hunter Biden collapsed, leaving the First Son susceptible to further criminal charges.

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[nivek]

The six 'co-conspirators' described in Trump's DOJ indictment who are accused of helping him try to overturn the results of the 2020 election​

Donald Trump's indictment for trying to overturn the 2020 election included six co-conspiritors, who have not been charged but were involved in Trump's scheme. Five of the six are easily identifiable, and include three of Trump's lawyers - John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani, and Sidney Powell.

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[pigfarmer]

... oh, this'll be fun .......not.

Like many, I want DT to go away but not like this. Clever strategy though, the country's already fully compromised by the media. You should hear what I hear from family members - probably you do to some degree. Absolutely slaved to a single outlet with no ability to think for themselves. Trump will be nominated and will lose again and all they have to do is lather, rinse, repeat like last time. Nothing any Biden ever did will amount to ****. They'll hand over the UFOs before they impeach that liver spotted hair sniffer.

I get the feeling conversations like these are taking place at very senior levels of the RNC and DNC.Feel free to substitute the names 'Kirk, Spock etc etc for whatever current political figure you like.

KIRK: Do we have impulse power, Scotty?
SCOTT: I saved all I could, sir, but I don't know whether we have enough to get back out again. Or time either.
KIRK: We are committed.
SCOTT: Aye, we are, but we're committed to what? We have no power for the phasers.
MCCOY: We couldn't use it. We'd cook ourselves along with that mess of protoplasm out there
KIRK: That thing would probably like phasers. It eats power.
SCOTT: Then what the devil, begging your pardon sir, are we doing?
KIRK: Mister Spock was trying to tell us what to do when we lost voice contact.
SCOTT: We can't use the power to destroy it.
KIRK: Anti-power.
MCCOY: What?
KIRK: This thing has a negative energy charge. Everything seems to work in reverse. We'll use anti-matter.
SCOTT: Aye, it couldn't swallow that.

 

[The shadow]

 

[The shadow]

From my daughter's FB
2024 analysis of where we stand post Trump indictment (yet again)

-DeSantis is our best chance at the WH.
-Trump is f@()ed (half his own fault, half targeted).
-Trump is broke.
-You nominate Trump, he loses and goes to jail.
-You nominate Trump and somehow he miraculously wins, he still goes to jail (can’t pardon NY and GA cases).
-GA is still the most damning of the 4.
-even if he gets house arrest from Mar-a-Lago and even if he miraculously wins the WH, Congress won’t lift a finger to help him (other than the usual cast of sycophants) and nothing changes because they’ll just wait him out.
-Let me repeat, there is zero path to structural change with Trump.
-You give your best shot at draining the swamp to DeSantis or we will be suffering the same cultural decay, corruption, and the consequences for the next generation or more.

 

[pigfarmer]

I think our country's literal 'best chance' might be something like No Labels. I doubt it'll go anywhere, this country seems to want only two parties. I voted for Ross Perot and we saw where that went but an injection of bipartisan centrist political actual thinking might be the vaccine we need.

Trump's problems are self inflicted and fulfilled very few promises. No wall, Mexico didn't pay for anything and the swamp's brimming full. Whining about unfair treatment is not something you'd expect to come from a man who says he mastered the Art of the Deal. He's gaining support due to the obviously biased media and justice system - it'll likely cause a number of people to hold their nose but vote for him anyway. Same is true for Biden.

 

[nivek]

For all you Trump haters popping champagne over this dubious indictment, here's EXACTLY why it may collapse​

I can imagine the sound of champagne bottles popping from Martha's Vineyard to Washington D.C., as President Donald Trump's haters celebrate this third, historic federal indictment.

If only they were able to drop their partisan blinders and see the grave damage this legal lunacy is doing to our country!

On Tuesday, U.S. Special Counsel Jack Smith revealed felony charges against the former president for allegedly subverting the will of the American people and attempting to overturn the results of an election.

Yes, Trump's behavior following his 2020 loss was wrong. But was it criminal?

Not on the basis of what I've seen thus far.

Have no doubt, corrupting the U.S. justice system to punish a former president and current candidate nudges the country ever closer to tribalism, chaos and collapse.

If the attorney general appointed by the incumbent president authorizes the prosecution of the president's chief election rival, the evidence of a serious crime should be overwhelming.

His guilt should be clear beyond doubt, so as to avoid any reasonable suspicion that the prosecution was motivated, even in part, by partisan consideration.

The paradigmatic 'gun' must indeed be 'smoking'.

I call this the 'Nixon standard,' under which the guilt is so evident that even the defendant's political allies — and certainly less sectarian independents—are satisfied that it is fair.

That admittedly daunting but entirely appropriate standard has not been met by any of the three indictments currently pending against Trump, who stands tied in recent polls against President Joe Biden.

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's indictment of Trump for falsely reporting the payment of hush money to adult firm star Stormy Daniels is scandalously inept. The legal contortions Bragg performed to criminalize a possibly immoral, yet perfectly legal, pay off are too convoluted to recount here.

Evidence related to Trump's alleged illegal retention of classified materials at Mar-a-Lago are strong, but the supposed crime itself is rather technical and relatively minor. Hillary Clinton, who stored highly sensitive government documents on her 'home brew' server, never faced federal charges, neither did President Biden, Vice President Pence or Bill Clinton's former National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger.

Why, then, charge the candidate who is in a virtual tie with the incumbent against whom he is running?

The current indictment involves far more serious accusations, but the evidence seems speculative.

In order to establish the underlying charges, the government would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump himself actually knew and believed that he had lost the election fair and square.

That he intended to subvert the will of the people.

I doubt they can prove that.

I did not believe that the government would bring this indictment unless it had corroborated evidence that Trump had told people that he knew he had been defeated and was challenging the results for fraudulent and corrupt purposes.

But from what I have read and heard; they don't appear to have any such evidence.

When his son-in-law Jared Kushner was summoned before the grand jury, it was widely expected that he might provide that smoking gun, but he apparently said the opposite: that Trump actually believed he had won.

Others who spoke to Trump during the relevant time period also believe that he was persuaded that the election had been stolen. I think he is wrong, but it's not what I or the grand jurors think: it's what Trump himself believed.

If the government fails to prove Trump's state of mind beyond a reasonable doubt, the indictment against him may well backfire - politically. He may gain rather than lose support among independents and marginal supporters who oppose the weaponization of our criminal justice system.

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[Dejan Corovic]

Absolutely slaved to a single outlet with no ability to think for themselves.

That applies to most of human race.
Absolute, positive refusal to think with one's own head puts us on a level bellow AI.

When his son-in-law Jared Kushner was summoned before the grand jury, it was widely expected that he might provide that smoking gun, but he apparently said the opposite: that Trump actually believed he had won.

That makes perfect sense. Lets not forget that DT is baby boomer and like the whole that generation feels entitled.

DT clearly has dictatorial tendencies. He attempted to steal democracy from American people and if he succeed democracies across whole Western world would fall into dictatorship one after another. Putting him in jail is just a guarantee that he can't try it again as well as example to other politicians who try benefit from populist vibes.

 

[AD1184]

That makes perfect sense. Lets not forget that DT is baby boomer and like the whole that generation feels entitled.

Trump just has developmental issues. He did not have a typical 'boomer' upbringing.

 

[The shadow]

Trump indictment portrays Pence as crucial figure in special counsel's case

In the indictment, Pence is portrayed as the central figure resisting the alleged schemes to delay the transfer of power after the 2020 election.

www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[pigfarmer]

I just skimmed through an article about an interview William Barr gave CNN. He loathes DT and seems to have good reason. He said the prosecutor has the burden of proof to show that DT & Co knew they were spreading false information and did it anyway to influence the outcome. First Amendment protects free speech and you can lie all day long ( aka politics ) but if they knew there was no fraud but continued to say those things anyway it's conspiracy. To me that seems a stretch. Must've flipped some insiders - his 'body man' etc. Tedious.

 

[AlienView]

Back in 2016 I thought Hillary would be a disaster as President - Little did I realize that Trump was the worse of two evils.
- In fact if Hillary might have been bad, Trump was the disaster waiting to happen.

 

[nivek]

Back in 2016 I thought Hillary would be a disaster as President - Little did I realize that Trump was the worse of two evils.
- In fact if Hillary might have been bad, Trump was the disaster waiting to happen.

Let's fast forward to the present with the worse president ever, Joe Biden...He's done more damage to this country than Trump or any other president could ever do...

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[AD1184]

Back in 2016 I thought Hillary would be a disaster as President - Little did I realize that Trump was the worse of two evils.
- In fact if Hillary might have been bad, Trump was the disaster waiting to happen.

That's not obviously the case. Trump was a disaster, sure, and America is still reaping the Trump dividend to this day, and likely into the future, but warmongering Hillary may have been worse.

 

[The shadow]

Let's fast forward to the present with the worse president ever, Joe Biden...He's done more damage to this country than Trump or any other president could ever do...

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Joe Biden is going to be 82 in Nov 2024.
86 at the end of term 2. Joe has memory issues he can't take the steps to air force one. Joe is barley there. So many reasons not to vote for him..

 

[The shadow]

Trump, 18 others indicted for trying to overthrow 2020 Georgia election

A Fulton County grand jury on Tuesday charged former President Donald Trump and 18 others with racketeering and other charges related to the Republican’s attempt to reverse Georgia’s 2020 election results.

www.ajc.com

 

[Rick Hunter]

I have a distant relative who was actually a part of the scheme in Georgia. From what little I know about this guy (I see him about once every 5 years, and I'm not really interested in him or anything he does), he probably would do his best to operate within the law and avoid anything illegal. However, the company you keep can have a profound effect on you and your actions. I can believe that he may have bought into the election fraud stuff to the point that he crossed the line under the sincere belief that he was protecting the United States. My aunt talked to him shortly before the indictments came out. He said that his lawyers told him there was a good chance he would not be indicted but may be called to testify. His name wasn't on the indictment list that just came out, I don't know if the grand jury can issue another round of indictments under Georgia law.

He claims that his legal bills are already in the six figures. His wife is partial heiress to a massive fortune in tech and oil, so he isn't going to be on the street from this misadventure. But still, I have to wonder if he is quietly regretting getting involved in this now very toxic lost cause. Play with snakes and you get bitten, even with the best of intentions. This guy is extremely smart and got a full ride to undergrad and law school at an ivy league college. Only problem is, he is ideologically motivated to the point that he loses sight of what is reality to everyone else and what outcomes are in fact likely to happen. It doesn't help that he has been living among the elites of society for so long that I'm not certain he could function if he suddenly lost all his resources and had to work a normal attorney job and live like a common middle class person.

I'm not sure just how much criminal activity Trump and his pals engaged in. In fact, I really don't care. I believe there are larger forces at play here, beyond politics. Trump & co. have created so much negative karma that the dam is breaking and no one can stop it. I'm a Republican and probably voting third party for president. I think Desantis is going to bring a shit load of negative baggage with him into the White House and at worst he might turn into Trump jr. At best, he'll just be a placeholder and rubber stamp for the conservatives. Of course, the Biden administration is a fucking mess and likewise just a rubber stamp for liberal causes. None of them deserve my vote.

 

[nivek]

Chicago woman, 41, is arrested by Secret Service after she sent a message to a West Palm Beach headmaster threatening to shoot Trump and son Barron 'straight in the face'​

Tracy Marie Fiorenza (pictured left), 41, was arrested Monday morning on a charge of transmitting threats to kill or injure, according to the U.S. attorney's office in Chicago. The case was filed earlier this month in U.S. District Court in southern Florida but was only unsealed this week. 'I will state that I will shoot Donald Trump Sr. AND Barron Trump straight in the face at any opportunity I get!,' Fiorenza said in a May 21 email.

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